[Live-demo] 4.0 beta3 Online

Alex Mandel tech_dev at wildintellect.com
Fri Jul 23 09:17:13 PDT 2010

The directions are on the first page of the help (the logo on the
desktop), not sure we can make that more obvious. Yes it requires an
internet connection unless we copy down the deb files to the disc first.

We have no control over the default resolution, this is directly caused
by how the virtual machines pretend to have monitors, and how operating
systems detect available resolutions... Way out of our hands. It's also
not a Linux specific issue. 800x600 has long been the "safe" fall back
resolution and there are still plenty of devices that only have that.

The good news is most really new users will directly boot the iso, which
has none of these issues.


On 07/23/2010 08:48 AM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> Today I tried the VM with VirtualBox on Ubuntu and after your hint with the
> toolbox it actually went very smoothly to install it. I remember though,
> that some time ago with another virtual machine I couldn't figure out how to
> get the toolbox installed, so maybe this became better in newer versions.
> Also it wouldn't work for people without an internet connection, I guess.
> Thinking of VM users of the LivieDVD it would be probably good to have some
> quick manual how to install the toolbox, and if possible it would be nice to
> have an initial resolution of 1024x768 instead of 800x600, at least in the
> monitor configuration menu (without toolbox installed there is only 800x600
> and 640x400 available). Unfortunately I have no idea this is possible or how
> to change this.
> Because I had this low resolution problem also when connecting projectors, I
> think it's common problem with current Linux distributions. If the display
> device is unknown, they only offer those almost unusable values. Hopefully
> this will change soon.
> Daniel
> 2010/7/24 Alex Mandel <tech_dev at wildintellect.com>
>> I have tested this before and it works, the problem is when you want to
>> use vmware instead of virtual-box, though I don't think it causes a
>> problem on vmware to have the wrong tools. However to get the right
>> tools you must use the ubuntu repos so that they remove the vbox tools,
>> if someone tries to use the normal way which is the files supplied by
>> either set it wouldn't remove the other and that would cause a conflict,
>> possibly an unbootable vm.
>> There is a ticket/idea to have the disc choose which modules to load at
>> boot, we just never got around to figuring out how to do that.
>> Note the actual build happens on vmware right now. We could state a
>> preference for Vbox though since it has an open source version and
>> include it tools by default. No idea if this will effect people running
>> Parallels. Are the computers for the workshops going to have VirtualBox
>> or some VM software?
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>> On 07/23/2010 12:59 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
>>> Are there any problems with the live dvd run natively when the virtual
>>> box helper tools are installed? Unless people oppose I can try to make
>>> a test build this weekend with virtual box already installed and see
>>> if there are issues when you run it natively.
>>> Johan
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev at wildintellect.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> When running as a virtual machine you must install the toolbox for that
>>>> software to get higher resolutions, see the bottom of live.osgeo.orgfor
>>>> details.
>>>> The final ISO as in Version 3 when run directly on a computer (boot from
>>>> disk) has a much higher default resolution auto-detected from the
>> monitor.
>>>> As for the keyboard layout, alternate layouts are available at the login
>>>> screen, and as a finishing touch which unfortunately must be done by
>>>> hand we have been adding a keyboard switcher to the panel of the final
>>>> product. Try out Version 3 to see what I'm talking about.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alex
>>>> On 07/22/2010 08:41 PM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>> Not sure this is something that will be OK on the LiveDVD, but when I
>>>>> started the latest beta in VirtualBox the screen resolution is 800x600
>> only
>>>>> and with the graphical display manager I can't get more. I know that
>> you can
>>>>> change this by editing configuration files, but we can't expect that a
>>>>> typical LiveDVD user (or my workshop participants) will be able to do
>> this.
>>>>> Very similar problem is the default keyboard. Lucky if you have a US
>>>>> keyboard layout, but very often the first thing people have to change
>> is the
>>>>> keyboard layout. I suppose the Spanish keyboard is different as well.
>> Any
>>>>> idea how to make this easy for users?
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> 2010/7/21 <maplabs at light42.com>
>>>>>> change of language at login
>>>>>>  sounds exactly right to me..
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:04:50 -0700, Alex Mandel  wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/20/2010 01:01 PM, Hamish wrote:
>>>>>>  > > Alex wrote:
>>>>>>  > >>> Major quirk - in the mysql config in the Ushahidi
>>>>>>  > >>> scriptlines 67-70 that didn't go right this time,
>>>>>>  > >>> something funny about the mysql password and it prompted
>>>>>>  > >>> me because of it.  > >
>>>>>>  > > hopefully fixed with r4054. mysql man page says:
>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>  > >        o  --password[=password], -p[password]
>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>  > >           The password to use when connecting to the server. If
>>>>>>  > >           you use the short option form (-p), you cannot have a
>>>>>>  > >           space between the option and the password. If you omit
>>>>>>  > >           the password value following the --password or -p
>>>>>>  > >           option on the command line, you are prompted for one.
>>  > >
>>>>>>  > > so the extra space after -p meant that it was treating the
>>>>>>  > > password as the database name.  > >
>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>  > > Hamish
>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>  > > ps- for desktop-conf/custom.conf any reason not to use the
>>>>>>  > > automatic login on startup?
>>>>>>  > > currently:  AutomaticLoginEnable=false
>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>  > > does that mean you can't get to gdm even if you log out?
>>>>>>  > Ah I didn't realize in the man page that meant you can't have a
>> space.
>>>>>>  > I'd opt for the --password= to be more clear.  >
>>>>>>  > I think it's good to allow people to change the language before
>> login.
>>>>>>  > Also that delay before login may allow some services to finish
>> coming up
>>>>>>  > so the experience once in should be better(guess).  >
>>>>>>  > You should still be able to get to the login screen if you logout
>> of a
>>>>>>  > session. Without seeing the login screen, not sure if users will be
>>>>>>  > aware of this option and that is where you change
>> language/keyboard.  >
>>>>>>  > Thanks,
>>>>>>  > Alex

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