[Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot

Tue Jun 4 10:48:54 PDT 2013

Alex,

Agreed, thanks for scoping it! Will be starting actual work on it next
week. I'll throw some issues in Trac before I get started.

--Paul

On 6/2/13 9:22 AM, "Alex Mandel" <tech_dev at wildintellect.com> wrote:

>Considering we build in a virtual environment to begin with, I actually
>don't anticipate many issues. I don't think we're ever going to create a
>pure server version either though as I agree with James that such a
>system should be custom installed by someone who understands server
>security and resource management. Our scripts can be used as a guide to
>installing something once you've decided on your platform for deployment.
>
>What we can do in the VM we release:
>Install easy to use firewall (like gufw) to block outside connections by
>default. In our quickstart for cloud services, explain how to change the
>default password, setup ssh, ssh keys, configure the firewall, and
>remote into the VM (either ssh and/or remote desktop/vnc).
>
>This would allow users to experiment without needing to run a local
>virtual machine.
>
>Thanks,
>Alex
>
>
>On 06/01/2013 04:01 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
>> James & Cameron,
>>
>> My intention was to start with the VM and make it available on VM Depot
>>and as an AMI so that it could be easily run on the respective cloud
>>platforms (Azure and Amazon). From there creating an OSGeo-Server
>>version on the cloud would seem to need more forethought and work put
>>into it.
>>
>> --Paul
>>
>> From: Cameron Shorter
>><cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:47 PM
>> To: James Klassen
>><jklassen at sharedgeo.org<mailto:jklassen at sharedgeo.org>>
>> Cc: "live-demo at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>"
>><live-demo at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>>, JPL
>><paul.m.ramirez at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:paul.m.ramirez at jpl.nasa.gov>>
>> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot
>>
>> James,
>> Good question.
>>
>> I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get
>>OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away"
>>install for testing software.
>>
>> However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live,
>>maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In
>>particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a
>>DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an
>>emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking
>>through all these issues).
>>
>> On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:
>>
>> What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live?  (My
>>presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be directly
>>on the internet.)
>>
>> My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and
>>database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and
>>experiment.  This is different than how things would be properly
>>configured and secured as internet facing services.
>>
>> When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way to
>>get started, try things, and see what can be done with the software.
>>However, they should really do their own install if they plan to use it
>>for production use.
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
>><cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...
>>
>> On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
>> Cameron,
>>
>> I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more involved than I
>> may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a time. It
>>will
>> take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what I can
>>tell
>> the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?
>> Not quite:
>>
>> Key Milestones
>>
>>      17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old applications
>>updated
>>      15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)
>>      05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working)
>>      26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers
>>
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40
>>
>>    I won't be able to make the IRC
>> meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the following
>>week.
>> I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our meeting
>>details here:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us
>>
>> Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple steps I can
>> start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you think would be
>> good first steps?
>>
>> I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for building
>>OSGeo-Live in the cloud.
>> First, see if it is possible.
>> Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be automated so
>>we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle.
>> Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud
>>install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work.
>>
>> It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything right.
>>Our first USB release was considered beta and had known issues and it
>>took a few releases before we started recommending it.
>>
>> As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.
>>
>>
>> @Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely comfortable
>> with that route.
>>
>> --Paul Ramirez
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
>><cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> (continuing on osgeolive email list)
>>
>> Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting of OSGeoLive
>> is a huge value add for the community, and something that opens the door
>> for many other opportunities.
>>
>> I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core OSGeo-Live team
>> as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud hosting a
>> central focus of our 7.0 release.
>> Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into the greater
>> community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.
>> Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new distribution
>>platform.
>>
>> I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and someone such as
>> yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it already, then
>> it is a win for everyone.
>>
>> Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule
>>
>> And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants here:
>> 
>>http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coord
>>i
>> nating.html
>> (This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify spending time on
>> OSGeo-Live)
>>
>> On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:
>> Paul,
>>
>> If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to commit it to the
>> svn repository directly (see
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion). Or you can send
>> the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or attach it to a
>> ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ )
>>
>> Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should continue the
>> discussion.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Will definitely let the community know when this is done. Fairly
>> certain
>> we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going and if you guys
>> want to add this documentation upstream in the site that would be
>> great,
>> are you the person to send that type of information to? This is
>> something
>> that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM Depot side.
>>
>> If we run into any snafus with the VM format that can't be overcome
>> fairly
>> easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up changing the VM
>> format
>> we'll push that upstream too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul Ramirez
>>
>> On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel"
>><tech_dev at wildintellect.com<mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Not sure who to ask but figured this list could provide some insight.
>> I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it available on VM Depot
>> [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really just a community
>> catalog of VMs that could  be easily spun up on Microsoft Azure. I
>> would
>> eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for now this work aligns
>> with other efforts in my day job. It don't think there will be that
>> much
>> effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make sure that this
>> wasn't
>> already done by someone and that it was okay to essentially
>> redistribute
>> this work.
>>
>> The intended purpose of this is to help make it easier for some NASA
>> Earth Science people I work with to have a platform to explore these
>> technologies. We would eventually extend on this VM with ways to
>> interact with NASA services/examples but figured this was an easy
>> way to
>> get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is to infuse FOSS4G
>> technologies into our data systems so this seemed like an avenue to
>> do
>> such a thing.
>>
>> A little background on me. I was lucky enough to be able to
>> participate
>> on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA but unfortunately
>> sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm helping lead some
>> working groups within NASA that focus on Geospatial efforts so my
>> motivation there is to help tie that community to this one. I've
>> worked
>> for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2 years have become
>> passionate about the open source efforts in the geospatial community.
>>
>> Essentially, I really want to make sure that I credit OSGeo and all
>> the
>> people that did the work but at the same time not infringe on their
>> efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts, concerns, etc. would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Paul Ramirez
>>
>> [1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
>> [2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index
>>
>>
>> It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think anyone has done it
>> yet,
>> so you should and post back with the info for the community. We can
>> even
>> add a link in the documentation about how to create a VM on Azure
>> based
>> on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance also but no one
>> has
>> done that yet either.
>>
>> Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in another format...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
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