[Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot

Tue Jun 4 12:20:18 PDT 2013

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On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) <
paul.m.ramirez at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Agreed, thanks for scoping it! Will be starting actual work on it next
> week. I'll throw some issues in Trac before I get started.
>
> --Paul
>
> On 6/2/13 9:22 AM, "Alex Mandel" <tech_dev at wildintellect.com> wrote:
>
> >Considering we build in a virtual environment to begin with, I actually
> >don't anticipate many issues. I don't think we're ever going to create a
> >pure server version either though as I agree with James that such a
> >system should be custom installed by someone who understands server
> >security and resource management. Our scripts can be used as a guide to
> >installing something once you've decided on your platform for deployment.
> >
> >What we can do in the VM we release:
> >Install easy to use firewall (like gufw) to block outside connections by
> >default. In our quickstart for cloud services, explain how to change the
> >default password, setup ssh, ssh keys, configure the firewall, and
> >remote into the VM (either ssh and/or remote desktop/vnc).
> >
> >This would allow users to experiment without needing to run a local
> >virtual machine.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Alex
> >
> >
> >On 06/01/2013 04:01 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
> >> James & Cameron,
> >>
> >> My intention was to start with the VM and make it available on VM Depot
> >>and as an AMI so that it could be easily run on the respective cloud
> >>platforms (Azure and Amazon). From there creating an OSGeo-Server
> >>version on the cloud would seem to need more forethought and work put
> >>into it.
> >>
> >> --Paul
> >>
> >> From: Cameron Shorter
> >><cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
> >> Date: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:47 PM
> >> To: James Klassen
> >><jklassen at sharedgeo.org<mailto:jklassen at sharedgeo.org>>
> >> Cc: "live-demo at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>"
> >><live-demo at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>>, JPL
> >><paul.m.ramirez at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:paul.m.ramirez at jpl.nasa.gov>>
> >> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot
> >>
> >> James,
> >> Good question.
> >>
> >> I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get
> >>OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away"
> >>install for testing software.
> >>
> >> However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live,
> >>maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In
> >>particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a
> >>DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an
> >>emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking
> >>through all these issues).
> >>
> >> On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:
> >>
> >> What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live?  (My
> >>presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be directly
> >>on the internet.)
> >>
> >> My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and
> >>database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and
> >>experiment.  This is different than how things would be properly
> >>configured and secured as internet facing services.
> >>
> >> When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way to
> >>get started, try things, and see what can be done with the software.
> >>However, they should really do their own install if they plan to use it
> >>for production use.
> >>
> >> On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
> >><cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...
> >>
> >> On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
> >> Cameron,
> >>
> >> I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more involved than I
> >> may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a time. It
> >>will
> >> take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what I can
> >>tell
> >> the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?
> >> Not quite:
> >>
> >> Key Milestones
> >>
> >>      17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old applications
> >>updated
> >>      15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)
> >>      05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working)
> >>      26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers
> >>
> >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40
> >>
> >>    I won't be able to make the IRC
> >> meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the following
> >>week.
> >> I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our meeting
> >>details here:
> >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us
> >>
> >> Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple steps I can
> >> start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you think would be
> >> good first steps?
> >>
> >> I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for building
> >>OSGeo-Live in the cloud.
> >> First, see if it is possible.
> >> Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be automated so
> >>we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle.
> >> Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud
> >>install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work.
> >>
> >> It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything right.
> >>Our first USB release was considered beta and had known issues and it
> >>took a few releases before we started recommending it.
> >>
> >> As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.
> >>
> >>
> >> @Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely comfortable
> >> with that route.
> >>
> >> --Paul Ramirez
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
> >><cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> (continuing on osgeolive email list)
> >>
> >> Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting of OSGeoLive
> >> is a huge value add for the community, and something that opens the door
> >> for many other opportunities.
> >>
> >> I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core OSGeo-Live team
> >> as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud hosting a
> >> central focus of our 7.0 release.
> >> Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into the greater
> >> community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.
> >> Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new distribution
> >>platform.
> >>
> >> I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and someone such as
> >> yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it already, then
> >> it is a win for everyone.
> >>
> >> Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:
> >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule
> >>
> >> And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants here:
> >>
> >>
> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coord
> >>i
> >> nating.html
> >> (This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify spending time on
> >> OSGeo-Live)
> >>
> >> On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to commit it to the
> >> svn repository directly (see
> >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion). Or you can send
> >> the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (
> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or attach it to a
> >> ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ )
> >>
> >> Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should continue the
> >> discussion.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
> >> Hi Alex,
> >>
> >> Will definitely let the community know when this is done. Fairly
> >> certain
> >> we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going and if you guys
> >> want to add this documentation upstream in the site that would be
> >> great,
> >> are you the person to send that type of information to? This is
> >> something
> >> that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM Depot side.
> >>
> >> If we run into any snafus with the VM format that can't be overcome
> >> fairly
> >> easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up changing the VM
> >> format
> >> we'll push that upstream too.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Paul Ramirez
> >>
> >> On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel"
> >><tech_dev at wildintellect.com<mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
> >> All,
> >>
> >> Not sure who to ask but figured this list could provide some insight.
> >> I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it available on VM Depot
> >> [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really just a community
> >> catalog of VMs that could  be easily spun up on Microsoft Azure. I
> >> would
> >> eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for now this work aligns
> >> with other efforts in my day job. It don't think there will be that
> >> much
> >> effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make sure that this
> >> wasn't
> >> already done by someone and that it was okay to essentially
> >> redistribute
> >> this work.
> >>
> >> The intended purpose of this is to help make it easier for some NASA
> >> Earth Science people I work with to have a platform to explore these
> >> technologies. We would eventually extend on this VM with ways to
> >> interact with NASA services/examples but figured this was an easy
> >> way to
> >> get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is to infuse FOSS4G
> >> technologies into our data systems so this seemed like an avenue to
> >> do
> >> such a thing.
> >>
> >> A little background on me. I was lucky enough to be able to
> >> participate
> >> on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA but unfortunately
> >> sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm helping lead some
> >> working groups within NASA that focus on Geospatial efforts so my
> >> motivation there is to help tie that community to this one. I've
> >> worked
> >> for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2 years have become
> >> passionate about the open source efforts in the geospatial community.
> >>
> >> Essentially, I really want to make sure that I credit OSGeo and all
> >> the
> >> people that did the work but at the same time not infringe on their
> >> efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts, concerns, etc. would be
> >> greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Paul Ramirez
> >>
> >> [1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
> >> [2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index
> >>
> >>
> >> It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think anyone has done it
> >> yet,
> >> so you should and post back with the info for the community. We can
> >> even
> >> add a link in the documentation about how to create a VM on Azure
> >> based
> >> on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance also but no one
> >> has
> >> done that yet either.
> >>
> >> Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in another format...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:Discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >>
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> >>
> >> --
> >> Cameron Shorter
> >> Geospatial Solutions Manager
> >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cameron Shorter
> >> Geospatial Solutions Manager
> >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050>
> >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<tel:%2B61%20%280%29419%20142%20254>
> >>
> >> Think Globally, Fix Locally
> >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
> >> http://www.lisasoft.com
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cameron Shorter
> >> Geospatial Solutions Manager
> >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
> >>
> >> Think Globally, Fix Locally
> >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
> >> http://www.lisasoft.com
> >>
> >
> >
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