[Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind

Fri Jan 8 03:09:24 PST 2016

Hi Cameron,

Given that we include at least another project that uses "trunk" (for many
years now) and not a released version, we cannot make this a hard
requirement in my opinion

Best,
Angelos

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Gabriele,
> Thanks for offering to help with reducing packaging size. That will be
> helpful.
>
> I also think it would be very valuable for the version of the World Wind
> Web to be installed on OSGeo-Live to be allocated a version number. There
> are many reasons for this, including:
> 1. People will be able to determine if the version of World Wind Web they
> are looking at is the latest version.
> 2. People will be able to determine if they should upgrade to a more
> recent version (because they are looking at an older version)
> 3. Developers and users will be able to align feature lists and bug
> reports with specific version numbers, which will help users determine
> whether to upgrade
>
> I think that defining a package version number should be a prerequisite
> for including the package on OSGeo-Live. The version number could be called
> "beta" so long as it is considered "stable" by the developer and user
> community.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
> On 7/01/2016 2:22 am, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> the Java version and the JavaScript’s one, are two different applications,
> so we need to separate them.
>
> I understand that the size of the Java might be a problem. I can try to
> work a bit on it and delete the not strictly necessary files from the
> original package, so to achieve a reasonable size.
>
>
>
> Regarding the web version, I may ask Patrick about a tagged release, even
> if now it seems to appear as ‘pre-release’ version.
>
> Even though I want to reassure you that in spite of being not even a beta,
> its usage was growing consistently in the past two years (as you may see
> from the different projects developed), and no bugs were reported. It is
> tagged in this way because not all the features available in the Java
> version are yet available.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Gabriele.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *mercoledì 6 gennaio 2016 14:32
> *To: *Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>; Gabriele Prestifilippo
> <gabrieleprestifilippo at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *live-demo at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind
>
>
>
> Thank you Gabriele for the detailed responses.
>
>
>
> I also strongly support the inclusion of Nasa World Wind in OSGeoLive.
>
>
>
> Regarding the size of the installation, I would like to try a basic
> installation first (without documentation to save some space) so we can
> find out how much World Wind will compress in the iso. The next step would
> be to try to use the data already present in the disk. Then we will be able
> to make a decision regarding the amount of sample data that will be needed.
>
>
>
> Regarding Java vs Web version, personally I would like to see both
> included.
>
> Having a tagged release is a good sign of stability, so I would prefer to
> have a tagged version included. This would also help potential packaging
> efforts.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Angelos
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gabriele,
> Based on your responses, it seems that Go World Wind is a mature,
> established open source GIS product, which is in line with the principles
> of OSGeo Live.
>
> On the downsite, it appears to be a large product, which may be a
> challenge to fit on OSGeo-Live. I'd be interested to hear thoughts from
> Angelos and others in that regard.
>
> The documentation does appear to be comprehensive and I feel shouldn't be
> included with the OSGeo-Live release (it can be referenced). Instead just
> provide standard OSGeo-Live Project Overview and Quickstart.
>
> Also, I request you make use of existing OSGeo-Live sample data rather
> that adding a new dataset. This reduces disk space and helps with
> comparisons and integration between applications.
>
> --
>
> I'm undecided on whether World Wind Web is ready. I'd be hoping to see a
> specific stable version nominated for inclusion.
> It also seems to have a relatively new development history, so might not
> have reached a stable release yet?
>
> Would it make to bundle GeoWorldWind and WorldWindWeb together? Or are
> they two stand alone applications?
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
>
> On 6/01/2016 10:23 pm, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:
>
> Hi, I’m answering the questions referring to both versions.
>
> If you consider including Java and Web version, I will provide two
> different installation scripts.
>
> *I confirm that my contributions to OSGeo-Live will be compatible with the
> OSGeo-Live license guidelines at the time of contribution*
>
>
>
> -What is its name?
>
> Nasa World Wind, composed of Go World Wind and Web World Wind
>
>
>
> - What is the home page URL?
>
> <http://goworldwind.org/>http://goworldwind.org/ and
> <http://webworldwind.org/>http://webworldwind.org/
>
>
>
> -Which OSI approved Open Source Licence <http://opensource.org/licenses> is
> used?
>
> NASA OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3 (
> https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3)
>
> -What does the application do and how does it add value to the GeoSpatial
> stack of software?
>
> World Wind provides a rich set of features for displaying and interacting
> with geographic data and representing a wide range of geometric objects
> using a 3d virtual globe
>
>
>
> -Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which versions of the
> standards? Client or server? You may wish to add comments about how
> standards are used.
>
> Yes, it uses on the client WMS, WFS and as GIS formats: Shapefile, KML,
> VPF, GML, GeoJSON, GeoRSS, GPX, NMEA and many others to draw services on
> the globe
>
> -What language is it written in?
>
> The Java version (goworldwind) is written mostly in java and C++, while
> Web version is in Javascript
>
>
>
> -Which version of the application should be included in the next
> OSGeo-Live release?
> World Wind Java SDK 2.0.0 and regarding the web version, it’s updated
> frequently, so the latest one available during the disk build process.
>
>
>
> - If risk adverse organisations have deployed your application into
> production, it would imply that these organisations have verified the
> stability of your software. Has the application been rolled out to
> production into risk (ideally risk adverse) organisations? Please mention
> some of these organisations?
>
> US Federal Aviation Agency (FAA), US Department of Energy, US Air Force,
> Army and Navy, US State Department, US Geological Survey, European Space
> Agency, Politecnico di Milano at Como, Sweden Defence Research Agency (FOI)
>
>
>
> -What is the Open HUB URL for your project?
>
> <https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj>https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj and
> <https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind>
> https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind
>
>
>
> -What is the size of the user community? You can often answer this by
> mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy email list?
>
> The US Government is our largest ‘formally recognized’ community, with
> well over a 100,000 users. World Wind apps are a standard in multiple US
> agencies. Additionally, the European Space Agency has standardized on
> WebWorldWind for delivery of spatial data. The
> <http://www.WorldWindCentral.com>www.WorldWindCentral.com forum has:
> Threads: 13,095;  Posts: 73,902; Members: 32,080; Active Members: 90
>
>
>
> -What is the size of your developer community?
>
> Because applications using World Wind are many, especially throughout the
> US Government, we cannot confirm the actual size of that community but it
> is estimated to be in the hundreds.
>
>
>
> -Do you have a bug free, stable release?
>
> Yes, the latest stable version, 2.0.0 for the Java and the last in the
> website for the Web’s one.
>
>
>
> -Please discuss the level of testing that your project has gone through.
>
> All versions of World Wind are tested before each release. Additionally,
> feedback via the forum contribute to identification of issues found by the
> open source community and these are addressed accordingly.
>
>
>
> -How long has the project has had mature code.
>
> World Wind began as a .NET app in 2003 with some days in 2004 at
> SourceForge ( <http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/) of almost 100,000 downloads a
> day at ~250MB (including a base set of imagery and elevation data for the
> world, the application was only a small fraction of that). The Java version
> has been mature since late 200, the iOS version since 2014 and the web
> version continues to mature, but has been standardized on for use by the
> European Space Agency.
>
>
>
> OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use rather than
> libraries. Does the application have a user interface (possibly a command
> line interface) that a user can interact with? (We do make an exception for
> Incubated OSGeo Libraries, and will include Project Overviews for these
> libraries, even if they don't have a user interface.)
>
> Yes, in both version it has a user interface to interact with the globe,
> even though its main purpose is aimed to develop new applications. It
> includes a lot of examples (with the proper source code) to test all the
> features using a graphical user interface.
>
>
>
> -We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects which are
> presented at FOSS4G <http://foss4g.org/> conferences. If your project is
> involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be presented at
> FOSS4G, then please mention it.
>
> It was presented on different FOSS4Gs and is also in the OSGeo wish list
>
>
>
> - Who will act as the project's liaison person.
>
> Gabriele Prestifilippo
>
>
>
> -Can you please discuss how your application will be installed.
>
> About the installation for both versions, it will use a custom script,
> which downloads the files, and then copies them into a directory, from
> which is possible to find samples and executables.
>
>
>
> -OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the application run in 512
> Meg of RAM?
>
> Yes
>
>
>
> -How much disk space will be required to install the application and a
> suitable example application?
>
> The java version occupies around 300mb with samples, but might be
> possible to reduce the size removing some files (documentation ~130mb ).
> While less than 20mb the Web version
>
>
>
> - Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview available under
> a CC By <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/> and a Quickstart
> available under a CC By-SA
> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/> license. (You may
> release under a second license as well). Will you produce this?
>
> Yes
>
>
>
> -In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers for some
> applications. It is likely we won't have space for these in future
> releases. However, if there is room, would you be wishing to include
> Windows and/or Mac installers?
>
> Yes
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Gabriele
>
>
>
> *From: *Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *martedì 5 gennaio 2016 18:13
> *To: *Gabriele Prestifilippo <gabrieleprestifilippo at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *live-demo at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind
>
>
>
> Hi Gabriele,
>
>
>
> Thank you for picking up this task.
>
>
>
> For the install script, can you please provide a pull request here:
>
> <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin>
> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin
>
> Proposed script name: install_worldwind.sh
>
>
>
> Also, you can issue a pull request for the documentation here:
>
> <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc>
> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc
>
>
>
> In order to accept the pull requests, you will need to confirm that you
> will comply with our license guidelines:
>
> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration>
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Angelos
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *lunedì 4 gennaio 2016 22:53
> *To: *Gabriele Prestifilippo <gabrieleprestifilippo at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *live-demo at lists.osgeo.org; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> <patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>
> *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind
>
>
>
> Hi Gabriele,
> Great to hear from you and interest in seeing NASA WorldWind on OSGeo-Live.
>
> The first step in including a project is to send an email to this list
> addressing the questions linked from:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive
>
> This helps us determine whether a project is a good fit for OSGeo-Live,
> and also consider any logistical issues which we might face (such as if
> there is enough space).
>
> I'm looking forward to working with you further on this.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Cameron (one of the OSGeo-Live coordinators)
>
> On 5/01/2016 5:07 am, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I'm writing here on behalf of Patrick Hogan's suggestion, to propose the
> inclusion of NASA World Wind in the next OSGeo release (
> <http://goworldwind.org/>http://goworldwind.org/ and
> http://webworldwind.org/).
>
> I've been asked to fulfill the requirements from the Wiki, and I created
> the scripts for the project and prepared the documentations.
>
> Let me know what else is needed to proceed.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Gabriele Prestifilippo
>
>
>
>
>
>
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