[Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Sun Jan 10 02:12:15 PST 2016

Hi Gabriele,
Great to hear that you aim to version WebWorldWind, although I 
appreciate that it might not be ready for the next release.

I suggest that WebWorldWind be attempted to be packaged for the next 
release, but if it is not ready (with a defined version number) then we 
will not advertise it in the upcoming release. (Ie, the docs won't be 
included but the application will be on the USB, so it could be used in 
workshops if needed).

When a release number is sorted out, it can then be linked in with the 
rest of the documentation.
Many applications which have joined OSGeo-Live have followed this 
process, getting a beta working first, then going public with the 
following release.

With regards to schedule [1]:
* Draft installers should for new applications should be in place by 11 
Jan 2016. We can be a little flexible with this date.
* Feature freeze for all applications is 1 Feb 2016. This is a hard date 
that applications should be ready by.

As you might note, you have quite a bit of work to do if you are to make 
the next release. So depending on how quickly you can work, we might 
need to focus on getting a draft in place for this release, and final 
for next release.

What do you think? How quickly do you think you can pull components 

Cheers, Cameron


On 9/01/2016 10:58 pm, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:
> Dear all,
> I’ve been talking with Patrick, and we agreed on versioning with a 
> tagged release WebWorldWind, although this cannot be achieved for 
> technical reasons before few weeks at least. I clearly understand that 
> having a tagged release is useful for different reasons.
> Since at the moment we cannot officially define it, I would suggest to 
> mark it as ‘pre-release’ or even 0.1.0 but not formally until they can 
> mark it. I still support the inclusion because, as I previously 
> mentioned the web version is the one with the greatest expectation and 
> a wider future.
> Let me know what you think about it, or if you have other ideas 
> regarding it. Unless we could wait for the next release to include it.
> Best,
> Gabriele.
> *From: *Angelos Tzotsos <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *sabato 9 gennaio 2016 12:34
> *To: *Gabriele Prestifilippo <mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo at gmail.com>; 
> Cameron Shorter <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Brian M Hamlin <mailto:maplabs at light42.com>; 
> live-demo at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind
> Gabriele, how about a 0.x release number, until there is a feature 
> complete 1.0 release?
> Best,
> Angelos
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Cameron Shorter 
> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Ok,
>     I'll rephase "requirement" to "/strongly request/ the version of
>     World Wind Web installed on OSGeo-Live be allocated a version
>     number", for the reasons listed below.
>     Gabriele, do you think this is achievable?
>     I think I'm safe in saying that using version numbers is in line
>     with best practice software engineering, and one of the
>     indications of project maturity we wish to encourage.
>     Cheers, Cameron
>     On 9/01/2016 9:30 am, Brian M Hamlin wrote:
>         +1 kalxas
>         On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:09:24 +0200, Angelos Tzotsos
>         <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> wrote:
>             Hi Cameron,
>             Given that we include at least another project that uses
>             "trunk" (for many years now) and not a released version,
>             we cannot make this a hard requirement in my opinion
>             Best,
>             Angelos
>             On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Cameron Shorter
>             <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>             <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 Hi Gabriele,
>                 Thanks for offering to help with reducing packaging
>                 size. That will be helpful.
>                 I also think it would be very valuable for the version
>                 of the World Wind Web to be installed on OSGeo-Live to
>                 be allocated a version number. There are many reasons
>                 for this, including:
>                 1. People will be able to determine if the version of
>                 World Wind Web they are looking at is the latest version.
>                 2. People will be able to determine if they should
>                 upgrade to a more recent version (because they are
>                 looking at an older version)
>                 3. Developers and users will be able to align feature
>                 lists and bug reports with specific version numbers,
>                 which will help users determine whether to upgrade
>                 I think that defining a package version number should
>                 be a prerequisite for including the package on
>                 OSGeo-Live. The version number could be called "beta"
>                 so long as it is considered "stable" by the developer
>                 and user community.
>                 Warm regards, Cameron
>                 On 7/01/2016 2:22 am, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote:
>                     Hi,
>                     the Java version and the JavaScript’s one, are two
>                     different applications, so we need to separate them.
>                     I understand that the size of the Java might be a
>                     problem. I can try to work a bit on it and delete
>                     the not strictly necessary files from the original
>                     package, so to achieve a reasonable size.
>                     Regarding the web version, I may ask Patrick about
>                     a tagged release, even if now it seems to appear
>                     as ‘pre-release’ version.
>                     Even though I want to reassure you that in spite
>                     of being not even a beta, its usage was growing
>                     consistently in the past two years (as you may see
>                     from the different projects developed), and no
>                     bugs were reported. It is tagged in this way
>                     because not all the features available in the Java
>                     version are yet available.
>                     Best,
>                     Gabriele.
>                     *From: *Angelos Tzotsos <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
>                     *Sent: *mercoledì 6 gennaio 2016 14:32
>                     *To: *Cameron Shorter
>                     <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>; Gabriele
>                     Prestifilippo <mailto:gabrieleprestifilippo at gmail.com>
>                     *Cc: *live-demo at lists.osgeo.org
>                     <mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>
>                     *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project -
>                     NASA WorldWind
>                     Thank you Gabriele for the detailed responses.
>                     I also strongly support the inclusion of Nasa
>                     World Wind in OSGeoLive.
>                     Regarding the size of the installation, I would
>                     like to try a basic installation first (without
>                     documentation to save some space) so we can find
>                     out how much World Wind will compress in the iso.
>                     The next step would be to try to use the data
>                     already present in the disk. Then we will be able
>                     to make a decision regarding the amount of sample
>                     data that will be needed.
>                     Regarding Java vs Web version, personally I would
>                     like to see both included.
>                     Having a tagged release is a good sign of
>                     stability, so I would prefer to have a tagged
>                     version included. This would also help potential
>                     packaging efforts.
>                     Best,
>                     Angelos
>                     On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Shorter
>                     <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                         Thanks Gabriele,
>                         Based on your responses, it seems that Go
>                         World Wind is a mature, established open
>                         source GIS product, which is in line with the
>                         principles of OSGeo Live.
>                         On the downsite, it appears to be a large
>                         product, which may be a challenge to fit on
>                         OSGeo-Live. I'd be interested to hear thoughts
>                         from Angelos and others in that regard.
>                         The documentation does appear to be
>                         comprehensive and I feel shouldn't be included
>                         with the OSGeo-Live release (it can be
>                         referenced). Instead just provide standard
>                         OSGeo-Live Project Overview and Quickstart.
>                         Also, I request you make use of existing
>                         OSGeo-Live sample data rather that adding a
>                         new dataset. This reduces disk space and helps
>                         with comparisons and integration between
>                         applications.
>                         --
>                         I'm undecided on whether World Wind Web is
>                         ready. I'd be hoping to see a specific stable
>                         version nominated for inclusion.
>                         It also seems to have a relatively new
>                         development history, so might not have reached
>                         a stable release yet?
>                         Would it make to bundle GeoWorldWind and
>                         WorldWindWeb together? Or are they two stand
>                         alone applications?
>                         Warm regards, Cameron

Cameron Shorter,
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