[Pacific] [PICISOC] Munich's transition from Microsoft to Open Source

[Dominic Afuyave]

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I think pacific island country should look at going open source and that's the only way forward in the future.

Dominic

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On 27/11/2013, at 12:06 PM, "Edwin Liava'a" <liavaa.edwin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> If China, Asian, African, Latin America and European countries are
> turning towards Open Source, even Microsoft is moving some of its
> services to Open Source, then why NOT us here in the Pacific.
> 
> I can understand someone who can afford a Mac for personal computing
> working at a regional organization, freedom of choice since all is
> affordable to him/herself.
> 
> I would like us to think of smaller Pacific Islands with very limited
> financial resources to sustain Proprietary licenses for OS and Office
> tools for government offices and schools. Let alone the software
> piracy issues, security issues, viruses, malware, etc.
> 
> Maybe some of you should visit those Pacific Island states and even
> rural communities in bigger Islands like Fiji, Solomon Islands and
> PNG.
> 
> We should be mindful of these issues.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Edwin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/27/13, fredchris <fredchries at connect.com.fj> wrote:
>> Yes! This is very well said
>> The worst dangers is when such minded advices reaches those in leaderships
>> and then are imposed
>> 
>> Advocacy for open minds maybe good for the Pacific in the interim
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Fred
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: picisoc-bounces at picisoc.org [mailto:picisoc-bounces at picisoc.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sioeli Tonga
>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 12:58 PM
>> To: Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet Society Discussion List
>> Cc: pacific-islands
>> Subject: Re: [PICISOC] Munich's transition from Microsoft to Open Source
>> 
>> They claim to be freeing themselves of closed-source proprietary software
>> and vendor lock-in but they're still using SAP.  Hypocritical much?
>> 
>> This project clearly wasn't about saving money (there are arguments for
>> both
>> sides as to which cost less) and the freedom you speak of below is
>> subjective.  This type of project is a huge undertaking and I wouldn't
>> consider the Munich example necessarily as a template for the Pacific.
>> 
>> I cringe every time I read these one-sided pro-Open-Source, anti-Microsoft
>> comments just as much as I cringe when being subjected to the marketing
>> hype
>> from the closed-source, proprietary software crowd.  The Kool-Aid runs deep
>> in both camps.
>> 
>> In my experience, most of the anti-Microsoft crowd have not had any
>> meaningful experience with a well-designed and well-implemented modern
>> Microsoft technology stack (it's not 1999 anymore people!).  Their
>> cost-saving arguments are usually limited to the initial CAPEX spend and
>> barely touch on the ongoing operational costs, any integration work
>> required
>> to work with existing systems, retraining, re-tooling, and finding a pool
>> of
>> adequately trained and experienced staff to develop, maintain and run with
>> a
>> customised distro and management tools.
>> 
>> I'm pro-FOSS just as much as I am pro-anthying that works well and gets the
>> job done.  I'm not a fanatic of the FOSS cause in the same way I am not a
>> rabid fan-boy of companys that produce proprietry closed-source products.
>> I
>> will use software from either camp where it is a right fit, where it
>> satisfies requirements, where it's the most appropriate solution.
>> 
>> Encouraging a one-sided view of an ever-changing technology landscape is
>> not
>> beneficial to our Pacific Islands.  If there's one thing I do like about
>> the
>> FOSS philosophy, it's keeping an Open Mind.
>> 
>> Sio
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: picisoc-bounces at picisoc.org [mailto:picisoc-bounces at picisoc.org] On
>> Behalf Of Edwin Liava'a
>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 5:12 AM
>> To: Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet Society Discussion List
>> Cc: pacific-islands
>> Subject: Re: [PICISOC] Munich's transition from Microsoft to Open Source
>> 
>> +1 nicely summarized Christian..cheers!
>> 
>> On 11/27/13, ICTL <ictl at linnixislands.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> Thanks Edwin: quite interesting!
>>> 
>>> So, back in '02 Billy Gates told Munich: "screw you, out with NT, pay
>>> up for the next wonder!"
>>> 
>>> Munich told them: "screw YOU! Take your shackles back, we are going
>>> Open source!"
>>> 
>>> Then the Billionaire chaps jet into Munich in person to...  beg?
>>> 
>>> Hilarious.
>>> 
>>> The 10 year long voyage out of MS and into freedom should be a warning
>>> to all of us, of the cost of getting baited into Closed proprietary
>>> systems.
>>> 
>>> Sad that Gate$ is spending his billions baiting kids in schools with
>>> free software $AMPLE$....
>>> 
>>> My 2
>>> 
>>> Christian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-11-26 9:57 AM, Edwin Liava'a wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Find here a great read on Munich's transition from Microsoft to Open
>>>> Source
>>>> 
>> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-ki
>> cked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/#!
>>>> 
>>>> Pacific Islands should follow the same path.
>>>> 
>>>> cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Edwin
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