[postgis-users] Windows Crash

[Obe, Regina]

Chris,

I apologize if I offended anyone here.  I guess this really was very
off-topic and probably was inappropriate for this list.

>From a monetary stand-point humor sales and if you amass enough audience
you can get a lot of advertising revenue.

I think its a matter of opininion and not taking yourself too seriously
also. Most people take themselves too seriously and get offended easily
when you suggest something they are doing is not peachy.  

I personally found the site educational.  I think there are silly things
that all sides of the fence do and to pretend these silly things don't
exist is not doing anyone any good. People who complain about things get
results.  As they say the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

There are things in Linux I absolutely love, but it does frustrate me a
bit that each Linux distro is very different.  I open up OpenSuse -
there's yahtz or whatever, Redhat has YUM and the place they decide to
install things is slightly different between Fedora and EL, and Ubuntu
(well I haven't really used that enough to complain about it - except it
has its apt-get and its apt-get crashed my last pc when I tried to
upgrade my open office). But that is all of minor consequence - I'm sure
if I dug deeper I would see a reason why no one can decide where to put
things.

Similar things can be said about Windows and MacOSX I am sure.  Although
I guess I've been drinking the Windows cool-aid for so long that I can't
think of anything bad to say about it except its command-line sucks
compared to Linux - but its new Windows Powershell interface is changing
all of that (so now I can run rm and ls and some of those other great
commands I learned in my Linux world in windows).  Makes me wonder hey -
is Microsoft secretly injecting some unix juice in their system.  I
expect their new upcoming OS to be "Hey guys we are Unix too".

Thanks,
Regina


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From: postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
[mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] On Behalf Of
Chris Hermansen
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:47 PM
To: PostGIS Users Discussion
Subject: Re: [postgis-users] Windows Crash

Regina, all;

I read the top four articles on this blog and I guess I just don't 
understand why someone would waste their valuable (?) time writing such 
pointless material, whether the topic be Windows or Linux or OS/X or 
whatever.

Obe, Regina wrote:
> Slightly off topic.  Has anyone seen this Linux Haters Blog.  All 
> Linux users should read it to understand how the mind of a windows 
> user works so that we can interoperate.
>  
> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/
>  
> Similarly I would like to see a windows haters blog so I can form a 
> fully unbiased opinion of the various factions.  Is there such a
thing?
>
>
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> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Bruce Rindahl
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:53 PM
> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [postgis-users] Windows Crash
>
> Also on a long shot - do you have any hardware conflicts?
> Start->Control Panel->System->Hardware->Device Manager
> Are there any little yellow info symbols?
> Bruce
>
> Paul Ramsey wrote:
>> This is in no way a PostGIS problem, certainly nothing we can ever
>> fix, just something that the particular combination of PgAdmin, the
>> geometry we are feeding it, and the way the Windows rendering system
>> are interacting.
>>
>> My experience has been that these days the thing that causes a modern
>> operating system (Windows, Linux, whatever) to crash is bad hardware,
>> usually bad memory, but sometimes other things. Basically, the
>> operating system itself is usually rock solid until you shake the
>> foundations it sits on, the hardware.
>>
>> So basically, all I can offer is the doctor's advice to the patient
>> who said "doctor, doctor, it hurts when I raise my arm over my
>> head!"... "don't raise your arm over your head".
>>
>> In the meantime, if you want to fiddle with things, swapping the
order
>> of your memory in the sockets, changing out the video card, even
>> changing your screen resolution, might change the interaction such
>> that you can exercise this particular use case without dropping your
>> OS to the floor.
>>
>> P.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Obe, Regina
<robe.dnd at cityofboston.gov> wrote:
>>   
>>> I second Bruce's comment about unhelpful comments.
>>>
>>> It may actually have nothing to do with Windows in fact.
>>>
>>> Now getting back to the crash issue.  Bob if you are still having
the same
>>> issue with that file, maybe you can post that (or provide a link to
the
>>> shape file you loaded).  It could be something to do with the
shapefile.
>>>
>>> I recall having this same issue with one particular geometry file
way back
>>> in PgAdmin 1.6 and it was when I scrolled to a specific record it
would
>>> crash, but then later additions (I either maybe never selected the
geometry
>>> field again) or it was fixed in later versions.  Doing an AsText
>>> always seemed to work where as displaying the raw binary was where I
ran
>>> into issues.
>>>
>>> The other possibility is that it could be a defective graphics card.
I
>>> forget which video cards I had bad runs with, but I remember having
this
>>> same exact issue with my favorite programming editor JEdit.  I had 2
>>> identical computers with same drivers etc and for some reason I
would get
>>> intermittent crashes on one of them.  I finally just got fed up and
replaced
>>> the graphics card and then it worked fine.
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Regina
>>>
>>>
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