[postgis-users] Old question resurfacing

Stephen Mather stephen at smathermather.com
Wed Dec 18 00:46:01 PST 2013


I've played a bit with X3DOM-- it's great for meshes, etc., but I haven't
seen a good way to color point clouds in it (although, perhaps I'm missing
something).  Still powerful though, and can leverage ST_AsX3D function.

Best,
Steve




On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Frank Henze <henze at tu-cottbus.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks for this very interesting approach!
>
> We need LOD not only for point clouds, but also for large 3D models (e.g.
> 3D city models / CityGML). Is there a solution for PostGIS?
>
> Interesting approaches for visualization of large 3D can also find on
> X3DOM (see homepage and search on Youtube).
>
> Frank
>
> Am 18.12.2013 09:01, schrieb Rémi Cura:
>
>> Hey,
>> I contacted the developper of XB PointStream specifically to ask him how
>> to plug it to a postgres DB.
>> It is no more an active project and he advised against it.
>>
>> At the other hand, with a much better licence (FreeBSD), active dev, and
>> build in level Of Detail (LOD) feature (scene graph):
>> http://potree.org/
>>
>> I asked the same question and it would be possible to plug it to db.
>> We only need to develop a LOD inside DB to to make it possible to use it
>> with huge database (I'm talking about 10's of billions at least in base,
>> and several millions in cache/browser). ( Here my gothub project doc,
>> the project is not clean enough to be used by others, but the slides
>> contains some images
>> :https://github.com/Remi-C/LOD_ordering_for_patches_of_
>> points/tree/master/doc )
>>
>> Current WebGL limit with most graphic card seems to be around 10^6
>> points, it is very small, hence the obligation to have LOD support to
>> have maybe 10 * 10^6 points in cache in LOD structure in browser, and
>> display  only 10^6 points, but cleverly :
>> more points close to viewer camera and in front of it, few points when
>> far from viewer camera, zero point behind camera.
>> These are very old and effective computer graphics tricks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rémi-C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/17 Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi Frank,
>>
>>     I've been watching this approach develop over the past few year.
>>       Some intereing approaches to using the point based methods of
>>     display that I've zeroed in on use feature that they describe as
>>     Surfels and/or Splats.  Just Google those two key words and you'll
>>     see what I'm talking about.
>>
>>     http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~matthias/Papers/Surfels.pdf
>>
>>     One drawback to these approaches is that they are sort of a closed
>>     system in that they concentrate on only displaying the point based
>>     features.  In the end, as a real world tool, I'll need to
>>     incorporate into this type of visualizers, I means of mixing feature
>>     types.  Surface tins, CAD models, and Points.  Having the points
>>     reside in a DB will both help with the integration as well as allow
>>     some processing of things to be accomplished on the fly in this
>>     mixed feature viewer.
>>
>>     Bobb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>     [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of Frank
>> Henze
>>     Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 2:10 PM
>>     To: PostGIS Users Discussion
>>     Subject: Re: [postgis-users] Old question resurfacing
>>
>>     I dont know, at which point the downsampling should take place.
>>     An interesting solution for webbased visualization could be XB Point
>>     Stream:
>>     http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/XB_PointStream
>>
>>     Frank
>>
>>     Am 15.12.2013 00:45, schrieb Rémi Cura:
>>      > I guess everybody has reached the same conclusion :
>>      > using pointcloud is is possible to manage 100's of billions of
>> points
>>      > and retrieve quickly those of interest.
>>      >
>>      > Now most of the usage requiere severe downsampling, which isn't a
>>     part
>>      > of anything yet but may come (I'm working on adding this to
>>     pointcloud).
>>      > .
>>      >
>>      > Cheers,
>>      >
>>      > Rémi-C
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > 2013/12/12 Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>      > <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>
>>      >
>>      >     Frank,
>>      >
>>      >     I don't know about a group, or for that matter centering it
>>     on just
>>      >     PostGIS, but I see 3D as the next big Mapping product line that
>>      >     people are going to be looking for.  PostGIS is a piece in a
>>     bigger
>>      >     puzzle.  I've been researching different methods for storing
>> and
>>      >     segmenting the point cloud data on the server side for a
>>     while now
>>      >     and PostGIS has percolated up to near the top of the list.
>>      >
>>      >     There is a big piece related in how to generalize data for 3D
>>      >     scaling in the browser, that's the biggest shortcoming I've
>>     become
>>      >     aware of in order to make something run nicely in the
>>     browser, I've
>>      >     also of late been forcing myself to think mobile, which has
>>     it's own
>>      >     set of criteria as far as the browser goes.
>>      >
>>      >     I would likely join the list of something call PostGIS 3d, but
>> I
>>      >     don't know that there is enough interest for a whole community
>>      >     (yet), maybe it's better to stay ahead of the curve though.
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >     Bobb
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >     -----Original Message-----
>>      >     From: postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Frank
>>     Henze
>>      >     Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:17 PM
>>      >     To: PostGIS Users Discussion
>>      >     Subject: Re: [postgis-users] Old question resurfacing
>>      >
>>      >     Hi all,
>>      >
>>      >     briefly a few details to
>>     http://www2.htw-dresden.de/~s68071/3DWebGIS/:
>>      >
>>      >     - Projektauswahl: Baalbek  and  Palatin  are static X3D
>>     models (no
>>      >     PostGIS)
>>      >     - Projektauswahl: W3DS   is dynamically generated from a
>>     PostGIS 2.0 DB
>>      >     via a "GetScene"-request by Geoserver
>>      >
>>      >     I think Baalbek is too large (too many triangles) and therefore
>>      >     possibly leads to crash. Palatin and W3DS should work.
>>      >
>>      >     The 3D window is a standard WebGL window based on X3DOM. So it
>>      >     should run right stable.
>>      >
>>      >     Once again my question:
>>      >     Is there an interest in a PostGIS 3D group?
>>      >
>>      >     Frank
>>      >
>>      >     Am 12.12.2013 16:55, schrieb Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul):
>>      >      > Frank,
>>      >      >
>>      >      > Very nice.  It froze up for me pretty quickly, I tried both
>> FF
>>      >     and Chrome.  Still looked good while it ran.
>>      >      >
>>      >      > This stability aspect is a big piece of being able to make
>>      >     something that folks will want to use.  Data segregation will
>>     be a
>>      >     big piece moving forward I think.
>>      >      >
>>      >      > Bobb
>>      >      >
>>      >      >
>>      >      >
>>      >      > -----Original Message-----
>>      >      > From: postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>      >      > [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Frank
>>      >      > Henze
>>      >      > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:04 AM
>>      >      > To: PostGIS Users Discussion
>>      >      > Subject: Re: [postgis-users] Old question resurfacing
>>      >      >
>>      >      > Hi Bobb,
>>      >      > hi all,
>>      >      >
>>      >      > https://hub.sharedgeo.org/apps/x3d/ looks great!
>>      >      >
>>      >      > We have similar requirements for a 3d WebGIS.
>>      >      > A first prototype you can find at:
>>      >      >
>>      >      > http://www2.htw-dresden.de/~s68071/3DWebGIS/
>>      >      >
>>      >      > For "Projektauswahl:" select "W3DS"
>>      >      >
>>      >      > and then select "Historische Gebäude" (Historical Buildings)
>>      >      >
>>      >      > If there is nothing to see, then press on the left side
>> "Alles
>>      >     anzeigen"
>>      >      >
>>      >      > We use the community buildt Geoserver incl. Web 3D service +
>>      >     X3DOM + JS.
>>      >      >
>>      >      > Some of our problems:
>>      >      >
>>      >      > How to import 3D geometries into PostGIS?
>>      >      > Which formats and interfaces (CAD, X3D)?
>>      >      > Point clouds in PostGIS (also import of).
>>      >      >
>>      >      > Is there a 3D PostGIS interest-group?
>>      >      > If not, should one established?
>>      >      >
>>      >      > Frank
>>      >      >
>>      >      > Am 11.12.2013 17:44, schrieb Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul):
>>      >      >> All,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Nothing that far along.  Did a couple of proofs of
>>     concept so far,
>>      >      >> I've done a couple of presentations on the Visualizer
>>     approach.  We
>>      >      >> tried a couple of different things, x3Dom, allover'js
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> You can see some of them here ( some of the  pages take a
>>     while to
>>      >      >> load the data in the background, be patient):
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> https://hub.sharedgeo.org/apps/x3d/  (these will
>>     generally need a
>>      >      >> webGL enabled browser)
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> These are purely intended as a test of just how much data
>>     could
>>      >      >> easily be squished into the browser before if blows, so you
>>      >     might experience
>>      >      >> some failures.   Ideally the data coming into these would
>> be
>>      >     segmented
>>      >      >> via a SQL call to PostGIS Pointcloud sources.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> The last two in the list are using some point clouds cut
>>     from our
>>      >      >> recent data collect at 8pt per sq meter for the City (6
>>     billion
>>      >      >> points in all), these are using about 300k points each
>>     for example.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Bobb
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> *From:*postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>      >      >> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] *On Behalf Of *Rémi
>>      >      >> Cura
>>      >      >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:08 AM
>>      >      >> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
>>      >      >> *Subject:* Re: [postgis-users] Old question resurfacing
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> I would be very interested to know any attempt to
>>     visualize 3D point
>>      >      >> cloud from data base !
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> We did the same but our solution is far from perfect.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Bob, is you rporject public/open source, have you any
>>     paper/doc
>>      >       about it ?
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Cheers,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Rémi-C
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> 2013/12/11 Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>     <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>
>>      >      >> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Hmm,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> I'm working with the Minneapolis International Airport
>>     (MSP) on a
>>      >      >> project, any chance that  data is open/accessible enough
>>     to play
>>      >     with?
>>      >      >> This could tie directly into a project I'm already
>>     working on.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Thanks
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Bobb
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> *From:*postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>>] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gerry
>>      >      >> Creager - NOAA Affiliate
>>      >      >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:14 PM
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
>>      >      >> *Subject:* Re: [postgis-users] Old question resurfacing
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Bob, all:
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> I agree. I'll have to spend some time with pointcloud but
>>     it DOES
>>      >      >> look very promising.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Another application? Lidar. Pointed at the sky, not at the
>>      >     ground (we
>>      >      >> use 'em to determine cloud layers [ceiling] and sky cover
>> at
>>      >     airports
>>      >      >> for aviation data...).
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Thanks, all!
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> gerry
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>      >      >> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>> wrote:
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Gerry,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Remi's idea about using a point cloud may be spot on for
>>     your use.
>>      >      >> It allows you to set a point cloud down to a revolution
>>     if need be,
>>      >      >> which seems like what you are looking for..  If the data
>>     becomes too
>>      >      >> massive for insertion into DB at real-time speeds, then
>>     you could
>>      >      >> also separate this revolution into separate DB's as well,
>>     you could
>>      >      >> separate a whole number of ways, by elevation, or
>>     quadrant, or . . .
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> I'm very interested in visualization possibilities with
>>     something
>>      >      >> like this being available in a database.  We're doing some
>>      >     similar db
>>      >      >> 3d visualization stuff on some rather dense point clouds.
>>       Your data
>>      >      >> once available could use the same visualizer.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Bobb
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> *From:*postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>>] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gerry
>>      >      >> Creager - NOAA Affiliate
>>      >      >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:41 PM
>>      >      >> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
>>      >      >> *Subject:* Re: [postgis-users] Old question resurfacing
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Bob
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> At least preliminarily, I can post-process, so speed of
>>     db adds
>>      >     isn't
>>      >      >> too troubling. Maintaining accurate representation of the
>>     bin-volume
>>      >      >> data is, however, important.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Typical rotation is 1-3 RPM, and a complete volume scan
>> takes
>>      >     ~11 min
>>      >      >> in clear air (where you best see biologicals if so
>>     inclined) or ~5
>>      >      >> min in one of the storm data collection modes. These are
>>     for common
>>      >      >> WSR88D, stationary radars. SMARTR's and others we have
>>     here that are
>>      >      >> mobile present a whole host of other options/data eval
>>     and speed
>>      >     problems.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Current radar data are nominally considered to have a
>>     horizontal
>>      >      >> resolution of ~250 m, ignoring distortion or keyholing due
>> to
>>      >      >> range.Typically 16 elevations are scanned, once or or
>>     twice in storm
>>      >      >> mode and a few less elevations in clear air mode.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Now, the interesting thing that's on the horizon is
>>     Phased Array
>>      >     Radar.
>>      >      >> When that happens, more data, more resolution, and faster
>>     updates.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> gerry
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>      >      >> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>      >     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>> wrote:
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Gerry,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Seems like the biggest hangup would be in adding the data
>>     to the DB
>>      >      >> fast enough.  How many points, per revolution, and what
>>     is the
>>      >      >> frequency of a revolution (stationary Radar, correct,
>>     although as I
>>      >      >> think about it, it could be mobile if needed, just need
>>     to add
>>      >     in the
>>      >      >> radar location to each record)?
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Bobb
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> *From:*postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
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>>     <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>>] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gerry
>>      >      >> Creager - NOAA Affiliate
>>      >      >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:52 AM
>>      >      >> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
>>      >      >> *Subject:* [postgis-users] Old question resurfacing
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> I asked this years ago, and I think Paul was less than
>>     pleased with
>>      >      >> me (:-), but:
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Has anyone, in the ensuing years looked at encoding radar
>>     data
>>      >     into a
>>      >      >> postGIS database? We've a little idea that might benefit
>> one
>>      >     project,
>>      >      >> and getting the radar data into a good geospatial format
>>     would be
>>      >      >> beneficial.The data, of coure, would start out as
>>      >     radial-distance and
>>      >      >> intensity from the radar site, although we could
>>     preprocess it
>>      >     by gridding.
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Thanks, Gerry
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> --
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Gerry Creager
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>      >      >> http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/postgis-
>> users
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> --
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Gerry Creager
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> NSSL/CIMMS
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> 405.325.6371 <tel:405.325.6371>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> "Big whorls have little whorls,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> That feed on their velocity;
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> And little whorls have lesser whorls,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> And so on to viscosity."
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Lewis Fry Richardson (1881-1953)
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> _______________________________________________
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>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org>
>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>      >      >> http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/postgis-
>> users
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> --
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Gerry Creager
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> NSSL/CIMMS
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> 405.325.6371
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> "Big whorls have little whorls,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> That feed on their velocity;
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> And little whorls have lesser whorls,
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> And so on to viscosity."
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> Lewis Fry Richardson (1881-1953)
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >>
>>      >      >> _______________________________________________
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>>     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org>
>>      >     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>      >      >> http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/postgis-
>> users
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>>      >      >>
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