[PROJ] Creating projection *not* from full init string?

[Matthew Woehlke]

On 09/03/2021 16.55, Kristian Evers wrote:
> We are generally very happy to help users of PROJ solve their problems but
> not at the cost of being talked down to.

I was not (at least until Even decided to take objection) attempting to 
"talk down" to anyone. I was attempting to express my honest feelings in 
a neutral manner. I'm sorry if that was not understood.

You say "we are generally very happy to help users". The replies I was 
receiving, *as I understood them*, did not seem consistent with that. 
When I said "what I'm hearing is...", what I was trying to express was 
surprise and confusion because my interpretation of Even's remarks 
didn't seem consistent with what I assumed were good intentions.

I expected good faith. I started out assuming good faith, up to the 
point where trying to say "hey, I don't think we're connecting here", I 
was told (politely, I'll grant) to get lost.

> Try to find a bit of humbleness

Try to consider the possibility that, rather than ranting or being 
deliberately offensive, the poor user is trying to work past what 
appears to be a breakdown in communication?

> accept that maybe things are complicated for a reason other than making your
> life difficult.

Be fair: the PROJ 5 API *does* go out of its way to make my life 
difficult. I'll grant that it has a reason for doing so, and even that 
it is perhaps TRTTD, but please note that it took three e-mails (and 
quite some frustration on both sides) before that reason was elucidated. 
(And I still don't have an answer to my question from the second e-mail.)

Humbleness is fine and all, but it's not reasonable to expect someone to 
not be frustrated by something that *is* deliberately obtuse when he 
doesn't understand *why* it's that way. Especially when one is already 
frustrated because his program isn't working, and — let's be honest 😉 — 
because he's trying to deal with geodesy, which is a headache on a 
*good* day.

-- 
Matthew