[Qgis-developer] How to deal with plugins which are not useful for users (e.g. Hello world)

[Bob and Deb]

Maybe what is needed is a checkbox for programmer related plugins such as
Plugin Builder, Plugin Reloader, ScriptRunner and HelloWorld?  One another
idea is to integrate HelloWorld into Plugin Builder?
On Dec 30, 2013 5:44 AM, "Jonathan Moules" <
jonathanmoules at warwickshire.gov.uk> wrote:

> +1 to Anita's post. The vast majority of GIS users aren't programmers in
> my experience (which is my masters and my current employment with 100+
> people who use GIS in some form). Simpler is almost always better.
>
> It may not seem that way from mailing lists, but these are a
> self-selecting group of the more technically-proactive users (dev lists
> even more so).
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 30 December 2013 13:32, Anita Graser <anitagraser at gmx.at> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alessandro,
>>
>> Am 30.12.2013, 13:54 Uhr, schrieb Alessandro Pasotti <apasotti at gmail.com
>> >:
>>
>>> Did you have any real feedback from users being confused from the
>>> HelloWorld plugin? After all, it clearly advertises itself as an example
>>> do-nothing plugin.
>>>
>>
>> There is feedback from at least one user who think it should not be on
>> the list of "official" plugins:
>> https://twitter.com/dig_geo_com/statuses/417293802387152896
>>
>> I can understand that it does not leave the most professional impression
>> if users find "weird testing stuff" in the "official" plugin list. (Note
>> that I'm speaking from the perspective of users without open
>> source/programming background.)
>>
>>  Can you explain me why do you put plugin developers in a different
>>> category
>>> than users? I tend to see plugin authors as (power) users.
>>>
>>
>> Many GIS users are not programmers. They have QGIS installed by their IT
>> department and might or might not be able to install additional plugins.
>> They certainly won't touch programming with a ten-foot pole.
>> I think it's a valid distinction to make and the first impression should
>> not alienate these more casual users.
>>
>>   If I were a new QGIS user, I would like to have starting point to
>>> develop
>>> plugins, of course we have the coockbook and the builder plus plenty of
>>> blog articles, but as a programmer, what I would search is exactly that:
>>> the simplest possible plugin to start tampering with.
>>>
>>
>> I totally agree with your statement from the perspective of someone who
>> knows at least some programming. But not everyone is in this position. Many
>> users come to QGIS without feeling the need to develop plugins. Too often
>> all they want to do is visualize some data, maybe have some background map
>> from OpenLayers plugin.
>>
>>  But I definitely agree that HelloWorld should not have a dual purpose
>>> (testing the plugin repository and provide a barebone example for wannabe
>>> plugin authors), so here's my proposal: unpublish HelloWorld and create a
>>> new Example plugin with the purpose of providing a simple starting point
>>> for new plugin authors.
>>>
>>
>> Personally, that doesn't bother me. I'm fine however you decide.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Anita
>>
>>
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