[Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration

Wed Jul 10 07:10:34 PDT 2013

Hi Augustin,

Yes, I recall. Thanks, that was good work!

I'll take a look at OruxMaps and Spatialite. 

We often get queries to add more GIS functionality to CyberTracker both for
the desktop and the PDA. While it would be nice to keep it simple, it seems
like over time people will want to do more and more away from their desktop.
Especially as we start seeing tablets which are about as fast as desktops
from a few years ago. 

Cheers,
-Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: Agustin Lobo [mailto:alobolistas at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 10:19 AM
To: Justin Steventon
Cc: qgis-developer
Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration

Hi Justin, I'm using both programs (well, actually, just starting with
cybertracker)
(I'm the one who collaborated to solvve the problem of running CT on Mac)

I think you should keep CT as simple as possible, not only because of the
low-literate users but also because in the field you want to have what you
need and only what you need. The CT approach in which you design your own
template is very good.
What I can see as an advantage is an efficient way of trasnfering the info
collected with CT to Qgis, perhaps through a spatialite object or some other
open spatial database. But I would not add gis capabilites to CT.

Regarding the ability of having more mapping capabilities in the field, I
wonder if you could make use of Oruxmaps, it works very well on Android, I
use it a lot in the field and for navigating the aerial campaigns.

Agus

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Justin Steventon <justin at steventon.com>
wrote:
> Hi Antonio,
>
>
>
> One area of difference with CyberTracker is that it captures data as
> name+value pairs. Converting to shape file attributes therefore tends 
> name+to be
> lossy. Alternatively, one data set point might be able to populate 
> several shape file attributes. I’m not sure how to deal with this yet, 
> but my thinking is that we would go simple and fully automatic first. 
> The integration involves converting a shape to a data model, sending 
> the data model to CyberTracker and managing the return of the data.
>
>
>
> For the purposes of analysis, I’m thinking that any feature that 
> CyberTracker has that is not in QGIS yet, would be built in parallel 
> over time. We have relatively simple charts (like effort, distance 
> travelled, etc), but also something called Index of Abundance which 
> would be nice to have open (if it’s not already there).
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Justin
>
>
>
> From: Antonio Locandro [mailto:antoniolocandro at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 9:13 PM
>
>
> To: Justin Steventon
> Cc: qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration
>
>
>
> Thats understandable the differences, now Justin can you specify more 
> about how would you like to make the integration
>
> I am thinking you would probably want to do the data collection using 
> CyberTracker, then export it or download it to be used within QGIS. 
> Now what is it that you would want to do with the data inside QGIS? 
> Depending on your goals you may want to create a plugin that would 
> take the data and do certain predefined analysis
>
> Regards
> Antonio Locandro
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: justin at steventon.com
> To: antoniolocandro at hotmail.com; madmanwoo at gmail.com
> CC: qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration
> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 13:47:37 -0700
>
> Hi Antonio,
>
>
>
> Yes, similar to Fulcrum.
>
>
>
> I’ve been following them for a while now and think they are doing a 
> lot of things right. They’re missing a few components that are 
> important for us, e.g. full offline (for security) and support for a 
> number of in-field scenarios. It’s possible these features will be 
> created over time. The proprietary nature of Fulcrum would tend to 
> turn off some potential groups in the same way as it occasionally has for
us.
>
>
>
> So far, we have not seen meaningful support for low literate users in 
> any major product. As more and more folks have smart phones, this may pick
up.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Justin
>
>
>
> From: Antonio Locandro [mailto:antoniolocandro at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:54 AM
> To: Justin Steventon; 'Nathan Woodrow'
> Cc: qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration
>
>
>
> Hi Justin
>
>
>
> I think your project seems a little bit similar to 
> http://fulcrumapp.com/ http://fulcrumapp.com/features/  for field data 
> collection, maybe just missing the part for people who can read or 
> write
>
>
>
> What they do is capture data using custom forms on the field and then 
> you sync over the internet on the cloud, once on a computer you can 
> export the data to use with GIS software and create PDF reports
>
>
>
> Probably a similar approach?
>
>
> Antonio Locandro
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: justin at steventon.com
> To: madmanwoo at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 23:07:25 -0700
> CC: qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration
>
> That’s true, I missed the concept of a form in the description on the
site.
>
>
>
> My interest is in a rich, user friendly data capture experience, 
> especially for cases where the field user is not a QGIS user and may 
> not be able to read or write. Our studies indicate that this is also a 
> more efficient way to capture data for literate users. Over the years 
> we’ve rolled our own mini-GIS for the desktop, but the scalability of 
> this approach is clearly limited. Since we’re a non-profit and in the 
> process of opening our code, it makes sense to leverage an existing 
> system. Of the solutions I have investigated, QGIS seems most aligned at
the technical level.
>
>
>
> We do bring some interesting work to the table. Our client supports 
> Windows Mobile and Android and has a large library of customizable UI 
> components which can capture many different data types, including images
and sound.
> There is also support for timer tracks and a field map.
>
>
>
> I’m pretty new to the Open Source community, so apologies if this is off.
> I’m probably going about this all wrong.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Justin
>
>
>
> From: Nathan Woodrow [mailto:madmanwoo at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 10:24 PM
> To: Justin Steventon
> Cc: qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] CyberTracker integration
>
>
>
> My project isn't about putting QGIS onto PDA.  QGIS doesn't run on 
> PDAs and I doubt it ever will.
>
>
>
> QMap is meant to be a field collection version of QGIS.
>
>
>
> - Nathan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Justin Steventon 
> <justin at steventon.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jürgen,
>
>
>
> I see Nathan’s project is really about putting a stripped down version 
> of QGIS onto a PDA. Nevertheless, it’s impressive.
>
>
>
> CyberTracker is designed more as a data capture conduit – highly 
> customizable UI (via XML) that can be used even by low-literate folks.
> Integration with QGIS would be great.
>
>
>
> If anyone is interested in a collaboration, please let me know.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Justin
>
>
>
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