[Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults

Thu Jul 11 18:34:11 PDT 2013

I would be happy with that layout.

I love those new icons Denis!

- Nathan

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Larry Shaffer <larrys at dakotacarto.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Pirmin Kalberer <pi_ml at sourcepole.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Larry, Nathan,
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 17.05:56 schrieb Larry Shaffer:
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow <madmanwoo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock
>> it on
>> > > the right side of the layers panel.  I'm not a fan of having to go
>> all the
>> > > way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools.
>> >
>> > That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the
>> right,
>> > with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first
>> row
>> > of horizontal toolbars?
>> >
>> > Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new
>> user
>> > downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming
>> > that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user
>> > can move toolbars to their liking.
>> >
>> > Any other ideas?
>>
>> I'm not a friend of a toolbar on the right side, because it's too far away
>> when the Sextante toolbox is displayed.
>> I propose to put the layer toolbar on the left side. This will feel quite
>> new
>> for most users, but it makes sense to have it at the side of the layers
>> panel
>> and the browser which also has an "add layer" functionality.
>> +1 for activating the plugin toolbar filling empty space.
>>
>
> So, going with your suggestion of having Manage Layers toolbar on left,
> and Plugins toolbar filling space to right of Help toolbar, the layout
> would look like this [0] (using latest icons from Denis [1]).
>
> +1 for this as default layout.
>
> Couple of things need some work:
>
> * The New Spatialite Layer needs a new icon, and its icon added to the
> toolbar
>
> * When all other core plugins are turned on (that have a add or new layer
> function) it looks confusing, like this [2] (after a restart). To fix, just
> need to ensure the Oracle and SQL Anywhere (also needs new icon) icons go
> before the W*S icons and the New GPX Layer goes before the Remove Layer
> icon. This way, the icon grouping continues to make sense: Add, New, Remove.
>
> * Help icon looks a little too dominant, or possible too far off-style.
>
> [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_manage-layers_left.png
> [1] https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/700
> [2]
> http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_manage-layers_left-all.png
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry
>
>
> Pirmin
>>
>> >
>> > [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> >
>> > - Nathan
>> >
>> > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer
>> <larrys at dakotacarto.com>wrote:
>> > >> H Pirmin,
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer
>> <pi_ml at sourcepole.com>wrote:
>> > >>> Hi Jürgen,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer:
>> > >>> > On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote:
>> > >>> > > Toolbars:
>> > >>> > > -Turn off Advanced Digitizing
>> > >>> > > -Move Label to second row
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > Panels:
>> > >>> > > -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > Print composer:
>> > >>> > > -Place all toolbars in one row
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > In case anyone missed it:  scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces
>> > >>> > src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI
>> defaults.
>> > >>
>> > >> Couple of other ideas comments, too:
>> > >>
>> > >> * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize
>> the
>> > >> left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app
>> are
>> > >> the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of
>> QGIS, I
>> > >> always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left.
>> > >>
>> > >> * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side.
>> There
>> > >> is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a
>> default
>> > >> install (that should be fixed).
>> > >>
>> > >> I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default
>> side
>> > >> toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window
>> would
>> > >> look similar to this (on Mac) [0].
>> > >>
>> > >> +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of
>> the
>> > >> functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the
>> user can
>> > >> show that toolbar.
>> > >>
>> > >> Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after
>> turning on
>> > >> all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin
>> > >> toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png
>> > >> [1]
>> > >>
>> http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-tool
>> > >> bars.png [2]
>> > >>
>> http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars
>> > >> .png
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Larry
>> > >>
>> > >>> > So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be
>> the
>> > >>>
>> > >>> default.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen
>> > >>>
>> > >>> resolution
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > might therefore be an issue...
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Pirmin
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Pirmin Kalberer
>> > >>> Sourcepole  -  Linux & Open Source Solutions
>> > >>> http://www.sourcepole.com
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