[QGIS-Developer] Last call for switching to github issue tracker

[Jorge Gustavo Rocha]

Hi all,

This move from redmine to gitlab (and from transifex to weblate) is not
a technological decision. It's a move towards a more open source
project, open to more people to participate and contribute.

If the argument against this move is "we don't want to lose anything
from the previous workflow" we will never move on. This is an easy
argument to keep the things as they are. It is an argument just based on
tools and technology. We should be more concerned about the community.
QGIS is the community. A dynamic and inclusive worldwide QGIS community
will keep an awesome QGIS application.

We need to decide if we prefer to loose something in favour of a much
more open source project. We all know to be "open source" is more than
release the sources. If it is difficult for users to report bugs, the
most basic thing in a open source project, the project is not so open.
Being an open source also means be dependent on other open source
projects. If there are things we can contribute to gitlab, to weblate,
etc, we will do it, as we already do with FOSS4G related projects.
Others are also dependent on QGIS and trust QGIS community to keep the
project up and running.

This is mostly a PSC decision. To be less or more open is a major
decision, related with principles. That is why PSC members don't have to
be developers, because this is not a technological decision.

If we want to move, we will move and there will be no technological
constraints we can't solve.

Regards,

Jorge Gustavo

On 14-01-2018 11:11, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> On 14-01-18 00:17, Tim Sutton wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>>>  [QGIS-Developer] Last call for switching to github issue tracker
>>
>> Given our history on the topic, I doubt very much this is true :-P
>>
>>>  I know PSC is (was?) against it, but I feel the majority of devs (and
>> new issue posters) are for it.
>>
>> Actually this is not true (correct me if I am wrong PSC): the PSC was
>> against two things:
>>
>> 1) losing all history in issue manager. I think this is reasonable since
>> there is a lot of very useful history in the issue tracker and it was
>> felt that a 'clean slate start ‘ would be a disservice to all those who
>> have raised issues in the past.
>> 2) calling for a migration without a fully tested, fully fleshed out
>> plan to manage the migration from start to finish. This means someone
>> taking responsibility for the *whole* process which so far hasn’t been
>> forthcoming.
> 
> That is exactly what it was in my memory too.
> 
> Mathias and Juergen both tried some of those migrating scripts OR
> created something else. Hitting for example Github-thresholds for max nr
> of requests etc, loosing comments and inner linking, had problems with
> user mapping etc
> Myself I also tried something, and besides this tried to invent some
> tag-system to be a alternative for the 'categories' we have now
> (https://github.com/rduivenvoorde/temp/issues/18).
> 
> Some conclusions (at that time):
> - our Redmine version was (at that time) too old to be used for newer
> migrate scripts
> - Github was not very friendly for migrating our huge issue list
> - Some dev's wanted to hold full history, while others were ok with
> starting from 3/scratch
> - Nobody took the time to further investigate, and people told us that
> speed was the main issue on the old Redmine, so we upgraded Redmine AND
> put it on a dedicated fast server now.
> 
> But I'm pretty sure that IF somebody takes lead and:
> - migrates all our current issues with history and comments and users
> - convinces all/most devs (it is not a PSC descision in my view)
> 
> That we can move to Github or Gitlab or Gitea
> 
> First step would be to try out one of those scripts, see if you get
> those to work...
> OR
> convince people that we should start with an empty slate for 3.0...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard Duivenvoorde
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