[Qgis-psc] QGIS for Mac OS packaging and infrastructure
Matthias Kuhn
matthias at opengis.ch
Mon Dec 3 08:09:12 PST 2018
Hi
I once discussed some ideas with Larry to assess the library version
problem with homebrew and packaging.
The simpler idea was to create a system snapshot with a known set of
libraries (or just zip them up?). I am not completely sure travis allows
for launching virtual/container macos instances inside. This would even
make sense for reproducibility on a dedicated server. Homebrew is
terrible in restoring historic stages in case the build server breaks down.
The other idea was to come up with an alternative repository for
homebrew that has releases but this will require to build up a community
to maintain this homebrew distribution, but I am quite sure we are not
alone in this situation.
Concerning the certificate, this can be encrypted and stored on travis.
We use this functionality extensively for login credentials and
certificates on a lot of our repositories.
Kind regards
Matthias
On 12/3/18 2:52 PM, Peter Petrik wrote:
> Hi,
>
> regarding the travis, one concern is that we did not want to have our
> apple's certificate publicly accessible Also, with dedicated server we
> have some stability in used libraries (versions). For example when
> homebrew is used, I think it is not possible to install specific
> library version (let say gdal x.y.z). On travis, you would end up in
> installation of the latest version in every build. On dedicated
> server, you install dependencies once, you build hundreds of nightly
> builds with one set of dependencies and then create package for LTR/PR
> with the same set....
>
> Kind regards,
> Peter
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 1:52 PM Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com
> <mailto:tim at kartoza.com>> wrote:
>
> His Saber
>
>> On 03 Dec 2018, at 14:37, Saber Razmjooei
>> <saber.razmjooei at lutraconsulting.co.uk
>> <mailto:saber.razmjooei at lutraconsulting.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear PSC,
>>
>> It the past couple of months we have put together a very basic
>> infrastructure to automatically generate Mac OS packages as a
>> proof of concept and also as a part of a contract with a client.
>>
>> The packaging now works as expected and we will support it for
>> another year. We are aware of the users’ complaints and feedback
>> in regards to Mac OS packages in the past, despite the hard
>> efforts of the QGIS community. Specifically, William who has been
>> undertaking this difficult task. We are also aware of other
>> companies who offer QGIS Mac packages (download links are
>> available after registration).
>>
>> In addition to the lack of any documentation on the packaging
>> process, the packages are not signed by QGIS (or OSGeo), which is
>> not very welcome in large organisations. There have been several
>> emails in the past about this topic but has lead to nowhere.
>>
>> Another shortcoming of the current packaging is the lack of
>> master (nightly) builds for Mac users. This has been causing a
>> lot of negative reactions from the users after each release (as
>> they are not able to test the features before the release).
>>
>> We would like to hand-over our QGIS Mac OS packaging to QGIS.org
>> <http://QGIS.org>. This will come with a bit of caveats:
>> 1- The current scripts are not perfect but it is open source and
>> publicly available. We will need to polish it. There will be some
>> additional work to remove a blocker to support older Mac OSes. It
>> is likely to be between 5k-8k euro.
>>
>> 2- The server cost (~600 USD/year/server) and Apple Developers
>> certificate cost (99 USD/year) will be probably more significant
>> compared to other OSes. We can start with one server and have the
>> second one if needed. I am sure there are organisations and users
>> who will be interested in funding/sponsoring QGIS with more
>> positive experience for their platform.
>>
>> 3- We are happy to help and support the Mac OS packaging for the
>> next couple of years for a smooth integration with the rest of
>> QGIS packages. This will include obtaining QGIS (or OSGeo) Apple
>> developer certificate. Our current packages are signed with Lutra
>> certificate. But the process is easy and documented in our
>> packaging process.
>>
>> 4- QGIS 2.18 is not supported.
>>
>> 5- QGIS nightly is also available as a part of our packaging,
>> which allows users to better test QGIS master before the release.
>>
>
> It is really great what you have done - yay! WRT the certificates,
> I think OSGEO already has a certificate, the hard thing II guess
> is to track it down and get them to share it with you so you can
> sign with it.
>
> I wonder gif the packages can be built on travis which seems to
> offer a macOS build environment too:
>
> https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/reference/osx/
>
> I’m expecting negative comments here saying we should not spend
> QGIS money on licenses and servers for macOS but hopefully folks
> can step back a bit and see that this is a minimal investment to
> make a really first class experience for macOS users. I think we
> should also be able to obtain the running costs for macOS through
> targeted donations - watching the donations notifications, it
> seems that quite a few already earmarked funds towards macOS….
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>> Looking forward to hearing your feedback.
>>
>> Regards
>> Saber
>>
>>
>> --
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>> www.lutraconsulting.co.uk <http://www.lutraconsulting.co.uk/>
>>
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