[Qgis-psc] Notes about certification

[Tim Sutton]

@PSC Could we get a final word on the guidelines proposed by Kurt so that  I can update the website? Can you add it to the agenda for the next PSC meeting?

Thanks

Regards

Tim

> On 12 Oct 2018, at 21:02, Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com> wrote:
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> Hi
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>> On 08 Oct 2018, at 20:52, Régis Haubourg <regis.haubourg at gmail.com <mailto:regis.haubourg at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi Kurt, 
>> thanks for sharing the link, that helps a lot. 
>> 
>> I'm a bit surprised bit this block:
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>> You are required to provide the training material for each of your courses. This includes exercises, lectures and data. This material will be reviewed for currentness, accurate representation of the QGIS project and overall quality. 
>> If the material is not of adequate quality, this can be cause for refusal.
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>> I think we can't let this so strictly formulated. That implies ALL courses, including lectures and data needs to be released. I never give two identical courses with the same dataset or supports. So we should probably ease that with something like
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>> -- You are required to provide the training material for each generic course level ----
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>> Formulated like currently, I am really concerned we get perceived as extremists and that very few trainers jump into the certification program. Which would mean it's death before it's even born - and no incomes funding QGIS.org <http://qgis.org/> in the end.
>> Just a reminder, most European trainings are made via universities or dedicated funding entity that have their own certification process. They don't recognized any validity to the QGIS.org <http://qgis.org/> certificates.  So the value of our certification program is a delicate balance between recognizing a quality of contribution for a trainer, which is worth if trainees choose them instead on that criteria, and the administrative burden for the trainer. Not speaking of universities that don't have any budget available for buying the certificates.  
>> In our case, I doubt I would have a clearance to spend so much time in administrative work, when I could have one to spend more time in contributing to the common training materials in QGIS's github repository. And one can't contribute in all parts of a project, this is too much to ask. 
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>> Sorry to be crude, but I don't recognize the discussion we had in Zanzibar here. 
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> I think we did discuss the idea of open training materials in Zanzibar but as other threads have highlighted, not everyone seems pleased with the idea. Just bear in mind that as the certification expands fewer and fewer of the companies applying for certification will be known to the core community. That leaves us with the issue of how to verify these companies - and reviewing training materials might be a good way to do it. Also bear in mind that Kurt, myself and others involved in setting up the programme are volunteers and don't have time to undertake anything too onerous to make the certification programme work. Your message takes the conversation back yet another notch from ‘we don’t want to SHARE our materials’  (thread started by Nathan and Nyall) to ‘we don’t want anyone to SEE our materials’. Isn’t it reasonable even in your situation to show Kurt examples of materials from your previous courses even if they will be different in the next course? I think we could also safely assume that in cases like your organisation, the review process would be a formality since you are well known contributors to the project and I think we could reasonably waive even the request to review previous materials in cases such as yours.
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> Regards
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> Tim
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>> Best regards
>> Régis
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>> Le lun. 8 oct. 2018 à 19:45, Kurt Menke <kurt at birdseyeviewgis.com <mailto:kurt at birdseyeviewgis.com>> a écrit :
>> I forgot to include the link to this doc to make editing easier
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I0qROVANffdhN34tQq41FQN6gPSaRt_GElkdqxJAX0Q/edit?usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I0qROVANffdhN34tQq41FQN6gPSaRt_GElkdqxJAX0Q/edit?usp=sharing>
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