[Qgis-psc] Notes about certification

Sun Oct 28 09:52:55 PDT 2018

done, thanks for reminding


Il 10/28/2018 02:10 AM, Tim Sutton ha scritto:
> @PSC Could we get a final word on the guidelines proposed by Kurt so
> that  I can update the website? Can you add it to the agenda for the
> next PSC meeting?
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
>> On 12 Oct 2018, at 21:02, Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com
>> <mailto:tim at kartoza.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>> On 08 Oct 2018, at 20:52, Régis Haubourg <regis.haubourg at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:regis.haubourg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kurt, 
>>> thanks for sharing the link, that helps a lot. 
>>>
>>> I'm a bit surprised bit this block:
>>> ----
>>> /You are required to provide the training material for *each* of
>>> your courses. This includes exercises, lectures and data. This
>>> material will be reviewed for currentness, accurate representation
>>> of the QGIS project and overall quality. /
>>> /If the material is not of adequate quality, this can be cause for
>>> refusal./
>>> ----
>>> I think we can't let this so strictly formulated. That implies ALL
>>> courses, including lectures and data needs to be released. I never
>>> give two identical courses with the same dataset or supports. So we
>>> should probably ease that with something like
>>> -- /You are required to provide the training material for *each*
>>> generic course level ----/
>>> //
>>> Formulated like currently, I am really concerned we get perceived as
>>> extremists and that very few trainers jump into the certification
>>> program. Which would mean it's death before it's even born - and no
>>> incomes funding QGIS.org <http://qgis.org/> in the end.
>>> Just a reminder, most European trainings are made via universities
>>> or dedicated funding entity that have their own certification
>>> process. They don't recognized any validity to the QGIS.org
>>> <http://qgis.org/> certificates. So the value of our certification
>>> program is a delicate balance between recognizing a quality of
>>> contribution for a trainer, which is worth if trainees choose them
>>> instead on that criteria, and the administrative burden for the
>>> trainer. Not speaking of universities that don't have any budget
>>> available for buying the certificates.
>>> In our case, I doubt I would have a clearance to spend so much time
>>> in administrative work, when I could have one to spend more time in
>>> contributing to the common training materials in QGIS's github
>>> repository. And one can't contribute in all parts of a project, this
>>> is too much to ask.
>>> Sorry to be crude, but I don't recognize the discussion we had in
>>> Zanzibar here.
>>
>> I think we did discuss the idea of open training materials in
>> Zanzibar but as other threads have highlighted, not everyone seems
>> pleased with the idea. Just bear in mind that as the certification
>> expands fewer and fewer of the companies applying for certification
>> will be known to the core community. That leaves us with the issue of
>> how to verify these companies - and reviewing training materials
>> might be a good way to do it. Also bear in mind that Kurt, myself and
>> others involved in setting up the programme are volunteers and don't
>> have time to undertake anything too onerous to make the certification
>> programme work. Your message takes the conversation back yet another
>> notch from ‘we don’t want to SHARE our materials’  (thread started by
>> Nathan and Nyall) to ‘we don’t want anyone to SEE our materials’.
>> Isn’t it reasonable even in your situation to show Kurt examples of
>> materials from your previous courses even if they will be different
>> in the next course? I think we could also safely assume that in cases
>> like your organisation, the review process would be a formality since
>> you are well known contributors to the project and I think we could
>> reasonably waive even the request to review previous materials in
>> cases such as yours.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Régis
>>>
>>> Le lun. 8 oct. 2018 à 19:45, Kurt Menke <kurt at birdseyeviewgis.com
>>> <mailto:kurt at birdseyeviewgis.com>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>     I forgot to include the link to this doc to make editing easier
>>>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I0qROVANffdhN34tQq41FQN6gPSaRt_GElkdqxJAX0Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>     **************************
>>>
>>>     Kurt Menke
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