[Qgis-psc] QGIS Mac Packaging project migration

Tim Sutton tim at kartoza.com
Sat Jun 29 12:27:16 PDT 2019 

If you write it I can post it on the QGIS blog.

Regards 

Tim Sutton 
Co-founder of Kartoza 
Ex-QGIS project chairman 

> On 29 Jun 2019, at 14:03, Saber Razmjooei <saber.razmjooei at lutraconsulting.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I propose writing a blog post (happy to draft one) with the details so that users can differentiate between the two installers.
> 
> Cheers
> Saber
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 at 13:54, Nathan Woodrow <madmanwoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great.  If others are happy could we update the website and put a tweet out to say they are using the new packages?
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 9:19 PM Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Yes I've tested them a lot and from my POV they are
>>> Good to go.
>>> 
>>> Regards 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2019, 02:59 Nathan Woodrow, <madmanwoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> There still seems to be some confusion in regards to the state of the OS X installers.  From my understanding, the new Lutra installers are good to go. Is that correct?  These seem to be good? https://qgis.org/downloads/macos/ If so could we have the website updated to use those new installers and add a section (ior not) for the older installers?  The website still points to https://qgis.org/downloads/macOS/
>>>> 
>>>> Clearing this up for our OS X users would be great to avoid people getting a bad experience with QGIS and allow us to focus on making QGIS better for everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nathan  
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 5:58 AM DelazJ <delazj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Saber for the explanation/confirmation. I was wondering if the process was different from Windows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Harrissou
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 21:02, Saber Razmjooei <saber.razmjooei at lutraconsulting.co.uk> a écrit :
>>>>>> And in terms of licences, the same exact licence from Windows installer is prompted to user....not sure if we need to apply for another licence for this installer or we can use the one obtained a while back for other OSes and packing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Saber
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 19:55, Saber Razmjooei <saber.razmjooei at lutraconsulting.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Harrissou,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> QGIS one-click installer is very similar to MS Windows installer, where all the required libraries (including GDAL 3rd party drivers) are included within the installer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And yes, the one-click installer, does not support 10.12 due to some Python issue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> Saber
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 18:52, DelazJ <delazj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks Peter for the summary (though the multiple versions side-by-side also applies to kyngchaos, and I guess 10.12 support could be part of the items)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm stuck to 10.12 and from what I read, the all-in-one package does not (yet? fully?) support it so I'm glad kyngchaos package is there. But my question (actually addressed to PSC) is whether we need to keep/advertise the two packages (now? or in the long run?).
>>>>>>>> And IF we go with the all-in-one package (only), since it engages QGIS.ORG, I wonder if we should question the 3rd party plugins embarked. I'm referring to this discussion [0] unless I misunderstand it or things have changed in the meantime.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [0] http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/problems-MAC-and-ecw-raster-files-td5399125.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Harrissou
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 12:48, Peter Petrik <peter.petrik at lutraconsulting.co.uk> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> it is not straightforward in the current package, but possible. There are multiple ways how to do it, but I have an impression it is not something majority of user need. The plugins should have its dependancies sorted out by package manager or they should be bundled as wheel in plugins if needed. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 12:38 PM Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Did you ever manage to get something set up so that you can pip install extra packages into the included python in the package folder?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 11:13, Peter Petrik <peter.petrik at lutraconsulting.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> differences:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> old-system (kyngchaos): 
>>>>>>>>>>> - separately installed python
>>>>>>>>>>> - separately installed gdal + its modules
>>>>>>>>>>> - 3rd party providers of gdal not included (must be installed separately)
>>>>>>>>>>> - not signed (users needs to install unsigned package)
>>>>>>>>>>> - no nightly builds, no public repository of used scripts
>>>>>>>>>>> - well tested over years
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> new-system
>>>>>>>>>>> - python, gdal, 3rd party modules, ... bundled in one single DMG package 
>>>>>>>>>>> - 3-clicks install (download, accept T&C, drop to /Applications)
>>>>>>>>>>> - signed by OSGeo (Apple) certificate
>>>>>>>>>>> - nightly builds, public repo with all scripts used (cooperative maintenance)
>>>>>>>>>>> - multiple versions side-by-side
>>>>>>>>>>> - new system, only partially tested during development and prototyping by few (hundred) users
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:56 AM Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 17:30, Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi Saber
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On some builds there is an issue when opening any file dialog where it pauses for like 30s before returning control to the user. Let me test your latest binaries to check these are gone then +1 from me to publish & promote.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> For reference - this is https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/issues/28201, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> is an issue on the NON lutra installs only!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nyall
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Sutton
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> Ex Project chair: QGIS.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> www.lutraconsulting.co.uk
>>>>>>> +44 (0)7568 129733
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> +44 (0)7568 129733
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