[Qgis-psc] Discussion our financial situation

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi Andreas,

I totally agree, if an external service is not able to handle the size, 
this is a killer argument to setup "a beefy enough server" (to put it in 
Evens words) on our own.

At opengis, we could spend 5 days on this in January, I'm happy to know 
if the PSC decides that this project should be a priority.

Best regards

Matthias

On 11/14/19 9:43 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Outsourcing infrastructure is preferred - I think. But if the 
> outsourced services are so limited that they can't handle a large 
> project like QGIS, or take waaayyyyy ttoooooo loooooongggggg to build, 
> then self-hosted might be superior? A six or 8-core machine at 
> Hetzners is certainly affordable.
>
> Certainly something to investigate.
>
> Andreas
>
> On 2019-11-14 09:40, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> It would certainly be an option. And there are others as well (like 
>> good old Jenkins for example).
>>
>> Are you asking for self-hosted because of performance or for other 
>> reasons? I think in the past there was a shift towards outsourcing 
>> such things to external services that do this as their core business 
>> instead of having to manage infrastructure on our own (e.g. github, 
>> travis).
>>
>> As mentioned before, I think someone will need to invest some real 
>> time to exploring possibilities and limitations to be able to come 
>> forward with a good plan of action. I think it would be good to have 
>> a week of time to test different options.
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>> On 11/14/19 9:28 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>
>>> Would it be an option to "self-host" appveyor at our own (to be 
>>> ordered) Hetzner Windows machine?
>>>
>>> I see that Appveyor offers a self-hosted version, free for one team 
>>> and with only community support: https://www.appveyor.com/self-hosted/
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On 2019-11-14 09:22, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Andreas,
>>>
>>>     Yes, I remember this. I also invested some time into AppVeyor
>>>     back then and the timeouts.
>>>
>>>     Finding a reliable solution and exploring possibilities will be
>>>     an investment in itself already. I think that with a good
>>>     financial situation, it's also a good possibility for the
>>>     project to invest into such an area with a potentially great
>>>     benefit. But it's ultimately the PSC's decision if the project
>>>     prefers to sponsor this work or hope for it to happen and
>>>     outsource the work and risks.
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>>     On 11/14/19 8:59 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>         The Windows CI thing would be worth-wile to invest it. But I
>>>         think we already had it in the past and because of a lot of
>>>         problems (e.g. timeouts when building, etc.) we stopped
>>>         using it. I know that we definitely paid for such a service
>>>         in the past. It was called "Appveyor" back then. Nyall might
>>>         know more about it. I think he paid for it upfront and then
>>>         I reimbursed him. That was in 2016.
>>>
>>>         I think we would first have to find a reliable solution for
>>>         Windows CI before investing into it.
>>>
>>>         Andreas
>>>
>>>         On 2019-11-14 08:51, Anita Graser wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi Andreas,
>>>
>>>             On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:57 PM Andreas Neumann
>>>             <a.neumann at carto.net <mailto:a.neumann at carto.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Any ideas? Do we have useful and important work that
>>>                 could be finished
>>>                 until January for around 15k?
>>>
>>>                 Should we invest more QGIS bug fixing? Documentation
>>>                 (if we find one)?
>>>                 Our infrastructure? Or upstream qt5 improvements?
>>>
>>>             On the infrastructure side, there seems to be interest
>>>             in Windows based CI. See current thread on [Qgis-psc]
>>>             Direct push forbidden to master. However, I'm not 100%
>>>             sure how this relates to a previous discussion from 2018
>>>             in the thread [QGIS-Developer] Windows compilation
>>>             infrastructure.
>>>             Regards,
>>>             Anita
>>>
>>>
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