[Qgis-psc] AGM: plugins vote

Fri Apr 10 04:07:34 PDT 2020

Hi All,

I found this whole discussion such a waste of breath!!

What is the issue to be addressed with the vote? What is QGIS.org trying to
solve?

The whole situation can be solved by having some guidelines: if the plugin
submitter does not follow, the plugin will be rejected (similar to CoC).
There can also be some good practices (e.g. having a plugin available in
all OSes).
For the plugin review to ensure they adhere to the guidelines, QGIS.org has
already reviewers (volunteers). If the task is getting out of hand and
requires more volunteer time, I am sure there are others who can help. You
can also look into funding (some of) reviewers' times.

There are some of the plugin submitters who have funded amazing features in
QGIS core. Their plugins might not be multiplatform (because it does not
need to be). Seeing those plugins banned from QGIS main repo is a big shame
and will discourage them from contributing to the main application in
future.

On a separate but related note, the current vision of the PSC appears to be
turning to an ideology instead focusing on QGIS.

Kind regards
Saber

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 10:55, Vincent Picavet (ml) <vincent.ml at oslandia.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have commented on the Github issue on the topic, but I wanted to stress
> one
> specific point here :
>
> - I do not think that this topic is appropriate for an AGM vote in its
> current
> state.
>
>
> I think there are implications on this issue which are currently not
> detailed
> enough to be able to take a decision taking enough parameters into account.
>
> To be clear, I even think the questions asked are not the right ones. In my
> opinions better questions would be more in the terms of :
> - Do QGIS.org want to distribute third-party software, and under what
> conditions ?
> - Who would take responsibility in case of problem ( legal issue, major
> security
> flaw ) ?
> - Do we want to re-develop a software deployment system ? What are the
> alternatives ?
> - How much work each decision would require and who would do it with what
> funding ?
>
> Legal implications are also not clear enough to take a decision.
>
> QGIS has evolved into a large opensource project and community, for the
> best. We
> deliver software to hundred of thousands of users, which is great.
> But it comes with a cost : more responsibility, less agility, strictness
> and not
> being able to fulfill everyone's desires...
>
> We also have to keep in mind that QGIS now serves as a model of opensource
> /
> libre software development. Other projects are looking at us, our
> organization,
> our choices, and are influenced by them.
> We have to take that into account, and consider our context, the
> ecosystem, the
> opensource movement, because we have an impact on it.
> Therefore, we have to be a good opensource citizen, continue to promote the
> global movement, and never compromise on core values and subjects.
>
> I will personnaly keep that in mind for all decisions made for and by the
> QGIS
> project.
>
> I have the impression that this topic put light into some fundamental
> divergences in the vision. If this is the case, we should focus on
> re-converging
> on the vision, rather than taking side-decisions implying core values
> shifts
> without having a debate on the global direction.
>
> Vincent
>
>
> On 09/04/2020 01:03, Tim Sutton wrote:
> > I added a proposed summary of all the drafts at the end of the thread in
> the
> > ticket Paolo.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >> On 8 Apr 2020, at 20:08, Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nyall.dawson at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 03:42, Paolo Cavallini <cavallini at faunalia.it
> >> <mailto:cavallini at faunalia.it>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> By allowing plugins to be platform
> >> specific we also open up the possibility to ship plugins which give
> >> access to specific tools like the touch bar, a hardware piece that is
> >> only available on mac.
> >>
> >> Can I throw some more text to put at the end of this? I'd like to see
> >> this become:
> >>
> >> "By allowing plugins to be platform
> >> specific we also open up the possibility to ship plugins which give
> >> access to specific tools like the touch bar, a hardware piece that is
> >> only available on mac, or which are designed to interface with a 3rd
> party
> >> software tool which is only available on limited platforms (e.g. a
> >> hypothetical plugin designed to utilise AutoCAD SDK functionality into
> >> QGIS)"
> >>
> >> Nyall
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Alessandro for clarifying.
> >>> The discussion period has already started, I'd like to send the email
> >>> ASAP. Sorry to put pressure: any further comments? Matthias, are you OK
> >>> with the reply from Alessandro?
> >>> Cheers.
> >>>
> >>> Il 08/04/20 18:01, Alessandro Pasotti ha scritto:
> >>>> The no-binary policy in the official repository has been enforced and
> >>>> listed since day 1 , see https://plugins.qgis.org/publish/
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure if the other rule about cross-platform has been written
> >>>> down somewhere, I've always taken that one for granted.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see no problems if a plug-in does its post-installation downloads
> though.
> >>>
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