[Qgis-psc] [QGIS-Developer] QGIS budget 2023 RFC

[Peter Petrik]

Hi all,

re the "QGIS packaging work, incl. OSGeo4W, Ubuntu/Debian and Mac builds"
item - I am listed as community manager, but MacOS builds are not under
openGIS/Denis. Maybe you change it in the docs?

Thanks,
Peter





On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 4:09 PM Andreas Neumann via QGIS-Developer <
qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> Hi Vincent,
>
> Thank you for joining the discussion.
>
> We did not really discuss the hourly rates at the budget meeting. From
> 2021 to 2022 we raised the hourly dev rates from 100 to 110 - and the
> hourly documentation rates from 40 to 44. I know that both rates are low.
> We can discuss raising them again.
>
> The plan for the two positions was not to have direct employees of
> QGIS.ORG, but to use a proxy company, in our case Kartoza, to act as the
> employer. Also - our budget does not allow regular European or
> North-American salaries. With these limitations at hand, we can use Kartoza
> as a proxy to hire employees in certain parts of the world where the
> salaries we can offer can be attractive - and where they have talented
> people to work on some of our issues (sysadmin, documentation, etc.)
>
> For the documentation part: Tim and Harrissou are involved in the
> selection process of the candidates.
>
> I agree that the grant budget with 10k is not very attractive. We also
> discussed skipping it for one year. Not sure what is better ...
>
> BTW: you can all help to find new sustaining members ... that would
> increase our budget and would allow us to pay better hourly rates ...
>
> I wish we had a larger budget at hand than the +/- 200k € we seem to be
> able to attract each year. From certain countries where we know we have a
> lot of QGIS users (France, Italy - just to name two of them) there are not
> a lot of sustaining members or donations other than from a few private
> persons and very small companies. Maybe companies like yours could help us
> to get in touch with the larger companies with a lot of QGIS users that
> could become new sustaining members ... Do you think that would be possible?
>
> Andreas
>
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 15:05, Vincent Picavet (ml) via QGIS-Developer <
> qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the budget with the community.
>>
>> A few questions / remarks :
>> - in most countries, we can see a general inflation, having consequences
>> on every kind of costs ( hosting, salaries…). Did you take this context
>> into account when preparing the budget, especially when basing planned 2023
>> costs on actual 2022 costs ?
>> - the cut on Grant budget is really hard. With a "reasonable" mean budget
>> of 5K per grant, this would mean 2 grants only this year. It sounds more or
>> less like the end of the grant program. Who would candidate if chances to
>> be selected are really low ? Wouldn't there be a way to mitigate it a bit,
>> through various smaller budget reductions to other budget lines ? The
>> increase in documentation contribution is huge compared to the grant
>> decrease. I fear that we loose grants as a mean to attract new core
>> developers.
>>
>> My most important remark is about "allow for a regular small salary ..
>> for one person on each item". Disclaimer : I am quite strongly against
>> QGIS.org having employees. If we are in the process of having "regular
>> workers" for qgis.org, then we really have to work hard on :
>> - having a clear, written and transparent process for how to select these
>> people
>> - .. process including a fair way for anyone to candidate
>> I may have missed some communications, but I have not seen this in place
>> up to now. This is definitely something we have to put in place before
>> having some internal troubles.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Vincent
>>
>> On 24/11/2022 12:07, Marco Bernasocchi wrote:
>> > Hi all, we prepared the QGIS budget for 2023 and would like to have
>> > feedback before submitting it to the voting members for approval. You
>> > can directly leave comments in the file [1].
>> >
>> > Please let us have any Feedback until December 4th. On december 7th
>> > we'll send the budget for vote.
>> >
>> > Cheers Marco
>> >
>> > [1]
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WyoZCKOehNhU5YB4pFPOuiJbie1mUmMPiq8YW7qyez0/edit?usp=sharing
>> > <
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WyoZCKOehNhU5YB4pFPOuiJbie1mUmMPiq8YW7qyez0/edit?usp=sharing
>> >
>> >
>> >  -- Marco Bernasocchi
>> >
>> > QGIS.org Chair OPENGIS.ch CEO http://berna.io <http://berna.io>
>> >
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