[Qgis-tr] Is it possible to get a language 100% tarnslated?

Fri Jul 25 06:22:44 PDT 2014

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Hi!

Correct, the source language itself is still english (despite the fact
that a lot of core developers are not native english speakers) and
will ever be english.
And as a developer (and translator) you know which strings you added
and can easily translate them into your language while still writing
the code.

Regarding the question of percentage of translation.
Once the source code is taken for a release there are usually no
changes to it any more. Thus no changes to translations as well.

But as we do have a frequent release cycle right now the next release
which will include the updated translations is not far away.

The only thing I can say (still) is that this was the first release
including transifex and work is always in progress to make things
better, speed things up, automate things.

Help (regarding the tasks of scripting, suggestions in how to make
things better ...) is always  welcome!

kind regards
Werner

On 07/25/2014 01:16 PM, Stott, James wrote:
> Hi Kari,
> 
> I believe what Werner meant was that one of the core developers of
> QGIS is German, as and such, this person knows when new strings are
> added to the code (as they are adding some of them themselves
> presumably), and thus can translate them very quickly, as soon as
> they are added to the source code.
> 
> The core language of QGIS is English.
> 
> James
> 
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> [mailto:qgis-tr-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] På vegne av Kari
> Salovaara Sendt: 25. juli 2014 13:01 Til: QGIS Translation
> Discussions Emne: Re: [Qgis-tr] Is it possible to get a language
> 100% tarnslated?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> this reply to my email and try to answer to my pondering  did not
> give any definitive answer and explanation. At least to me. I just
> checked and the situation has not changed, my records in
> translations are 100% and I get compiled versions where situation
> is totally something else. Only new issue was that I didn't know
> that core language for QGIS is German, maybe I've to make new
> assessment if I can recommend it to be used by NGOs in Finland as
> the mainly used languages here are Finnish and English (German very
> very seldom).
> 
> From my side this discussion is over and I stop following this
> email list as there is no benefits to do so.
> 
> Very nice summer and best regards, Kari
> 
> On 07/25/2014 10:42 AM, Werner Macho wrote:
>> Hi!
>> 
>> The connection from source code to transifex is done
>> automatically.. Whenever the qgis_en.ts (the english original
>> source translation file) changes .. transifex notices that and
>> tries to fetch it from github to provide new strings in
>> transifex. That usually works within 24h of an update (so not in
>> realtime).
>> 
>> The connection from transifex to the source (github) is currently
>> done manually. Last time I did it half an hour before the source
>> was taken to build the release. We are working on a way to
>> automate that and transfer the transifex translations at least
>> once a week.
>> 
>> But there will always be the chance to do it manually right in
>> front of a release to not miss any translations.
>> 
>> The reason why some translations are always at 100% is easy. Even
>> to me it looks like that some developers provide the translation
>>  actually before the changes in the code hit the source (joke). 
>> No honestly.. Some developers are just immediately translating
>> their string changes in source after they happened. And as one of
>> the core developers is german.. German will always be one of the
>> "always 100%" languages.
>> 
>> As there are still some languages here or there (means on
>> transifex and github) and some languages are simply not
>> responding on the question where they want to translate, I soon
>> want to switch the "default" to transifex. In that way I just can
>> fetch every language from transifex which would solve the
>> complicated "here or there" I currently have.
>> 
>> Regarding the question if finish, the 2.4 release is done with
>> 99% (which is an amazing value). And I am sure for 2.6 it will be
>> 100%.
>> 
>> IIRC there was some confusion about where to fetch the
>> translation from and honestly I am not sure if finish was already
>> at 100% at that time but again - compare it to the average and
>> you'll see everything above 95% is amazing.
>> 
>> It's just the migration from github to transfex which caused some
>>  small "troubles" but I am sure we are going to fix that within
>> the next release.
>> 
>> BTW: Any suggestions when to switch to transifex as default for
>> GUI Translation? A lot of languages already changed but some are
>> just "not answering" :(
>> 
>> We are working on automate that all - but please give us time -
>> and until than it has to be done manually.
>> 
>> But whenever you think the translations from transifex should be
>>  collected and transfered to the source please just drop me a
>> note and I will try to transfer them as soon as possible.
>> 
>> kind regards Werner
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Stott, James
>> <fmrojst at fylkesmannen.no> wrote:
>>> Hi Kari,
>>> 
>>> In transifex it shows that you are 100% complete.
>>> 
>>> Werner, how does the connection between transifex and the
>>> source code work? How often do the strings from source code get
>>> uploaded to transifex, and how often do the translations we do
>>> get sent back?
>>> 
>>> I am assuming that it is somewhere in this process that means
>>> the Finnish translation has never reached 100% complete in
>>> master, despite transifex saying it is.
>>> 
>>> James
>>> 
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>>> [mailto:qgis-tr-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] På vegne av Kari
>>> Salovaara Sendt: 23. juli 2014 09:32 Til: QGIS Translation
>>> Discussions Emne: [Qgis-tr] Is it possible to get a language
>>> 100% tarnslated?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I translated for 2.4 as goal to get 100% translated language. I
>>> kept watching 24/7 all new strings and translated them asap. In
>>> the morning of release 10:00 UTC I was sure that I had reached
>>> the goal. But no, not even today as there was a update for the
>>> 2.4 application for openSuse 12.3! (There is also a problem
>>> with outdated gdal but that's an other issue) I'm translating
>>> new master all the time and I can see that I've 100%
>>> translation all the time (I of course translate all new
>>> strings). Neither this has ever been 100% in application as
>>> nightly win7 x64. Funny thing is that when I look translations
>>> of some "big" countries they reach the magic number of 100% all
>>> the time.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying also to translate documentation and website and some
>>> external tutorials and create some other localized material
>>> which should be based up2date application. I'm putting all my
>>> efforts at the moment to get more QGIS users and also OsGeo
>>> activists working in our country and this situation doesn't
>>> help it at all. This retarded situation makes my life
>>> difficult.
>>> 
>>> Whom should I pay to get this situation fixed and what's the
>>> price?
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Kari
>>> 
>>> -- Kari Salovaara Hanko, Finland
>> 
> 
> 
> -- Kari Salovaara Hanko, Finland
> 
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> heart." ~ Elizabeth Andrew
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