[Qgis-user] Qgis-user Digest, Vol 134, Issue 4

Vladimir Nery Riveros Magueño vnriveros at gmail.com
Mon Apr 3 08:11:13 PDT 2017


I have been install the qgis 2.18, in windows 10, but when I started I have
the message :  "El programa no puede iniciarse porque falta MSVCR120.dll en
el equipo."

2017-04-03 2:54 GMT-04:00 <qgis-user-request at lists.osgeo.org>:

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>    1. Re: 2 Questions (Xan Vieiro)
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>    3. Re: 2 Questions (Tyler Veinot)
>    4. Re: QGIS Server Process Crash (Simon Greener)
>    5. Re: QGIS Server Process Crash (Nyall Dawson)
>    6. Re: QGIS Server Process Crash (Nyall Dawson)
>    7. Re: Installation error (Kunso Kim)
>    8. Re: QGIS Server Process Crash (Alessandro Pasotti)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 22:56:59 +0200
> From: Xan Vieiro <gallaecia6 at gmail.com>
> To: Tyler Veinot <tylerkveinot at gmail.com>
> Cc: QGIS User List <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] 2 Questions
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> 2. Is there a way to lock features so that when I open the map in QField I
> can see those layers but cannot select or edit them? I want to lock my
> basemap features so that only my "working layers" are selectable and
> editable in QField. I partially accomplished this using a tool that builds
> the basemap into raster tiles but at small scales the labels interfere with
> each other.
>
> Presets works fine with QField. Located at the Layer Panel.
>
> 2017-03-31 13:12 GMT+02:00 Tyler Veinot <tylerkveinot at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hello;
> > 1. Is there a tutorial on making a python script run by the click of a
> > button or do I have to build it as a plugin?
> > 2. Is there a way to lock features so that when I open the map in QField
> I
> > can see those layers but cannot select or edit them? I want to lock my
> > basemap features so that only my "working layers" are selectable and
> > editable in QField. I partially accomplished this using a tool that
> builds
> > the basemap into raster tiles but at small scales the labels interfere
> with
> > each other.
> > Thanks;
> > Tyler
> >
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> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 23:24:48 +0200
> From: Matthias Kuhn <matthias at opengis.ch>
> To: qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] 2 Questions
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> The docs have just been updated to explain how readonly and
> identification configuraiton works.
>
> http://www.qfield.org/docs/project-management/vector-
> layers.html#read-only-and-non-identifiable-layers
>
> Matthias
>
> On 4/2/17 10:56 PM, Xan Vieiro wrote:
> > 2. Is there a way to lock features so that when I open the map in
> > QField I can see those layers but cannot select or edit them? I want
> > to lock my basemap features so that only my "working layers" are
> > selectable and editable in QField. I partially accomplished this using
> > a tool that builds the basemap into raster tiles but at small scales
> > the labels interfere with each other.
> >
> > Presets works fine with QField. Located at the Layer Panel.
> >
> > 2017-03-31 13:12 GMT+02:00 Tyler Veinot <tylerkveinot at gmail.com
> > <mailto:tylerkveinot at gmail.com>>:
> >
> >     Hello;
> >     1. Is there a tutorial on making a python script run by the click
> >     of a button or do I have to build it as a plugin?
> >     2. Is there a way to lock features so that when I open the map in
> >     QField I can see those layers but cannot select or edit them? I
> >     want to lock my basemap features so that only my "working layers"
> >     are selectable and editable in QField. I partially accomplished
> >     this using a tool that builds the basemap into raster tiles but at
> >     small scales the labels interfere with each other.
> >     Thanks;
> >     Tyler
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 18:49:10 -0300
> From: Tyler Veinot <tylerkveinot at gmail.com>
> To: Xan Vieiro <gallaecia6 at gmail.com>
> Cc: QGIS User List <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] 2 Questions
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> Thanks guys
>
> Sent from my Bell Sony device over Canada’s largest network.
>
> ---- Xan Vieiro wrote ----
>
> >2. Is there a way to lock features so that when I open the map in QField I
> >can see those layers but cannot select or edit them? I want to lock my
> >basemap features so that only my "working layers" are selectable and
> >editable in QField. I partially accomplished this using a tool that builds
> >the basemap into raster tiles but at small scales the labels interfere
> with
> >each other.
> >
> >Presets works fine with QField. Located at the Layer Panel.
> >
> >2017-03-31 13:12 GMT+02:00 Tyler Veinot <tylerkveinot at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hello;
> >> 1. Is there a tutorial on making a python script run by the click of a
> >> button or do I have to build it as a plugin?
> >> 2. Is there a way to lock features so that when I open the map in
> QField I
> >> can see those layers but cannot select or edit them? I want to lock my
> >> basemap features so that only my "working layers" are selectable and
> >> editable in QField. I partially accomplished this using a tool that
> builds
> >> the basemap into raster tiles but at small scales the labels interfere
> with
> >> each other.
> >> Thanks;
> >> Tyler
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Qgis-user mailing list
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> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 15:29:46 -0700 (MST)
> From: Simon Greener <simon at spatialdbadvisor.com>
> To: qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS Server Process Crash
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> The installation can only be on Microsoft Windows Server.
>
> AFAIK it is a supported platform.
>
> The supplied information is all that we can find that describes the error.
>
> The Apache and QGIS error logs show nothing before the process crash.
>
> The QGIS Projects are all OK when they are used in QGIS Desktop: no crash
> occurs.
>
> The crashing has consistently occurred in both 2.14 LTR 32bit and 2.18.4
> 64bit.
> The crashing has stopped the application from going live.
>
> If anyone can point to some "standard" settings or things that need to be
> checked, please supply.
>
> Regards
> Simon
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 08:48:41 +1000
> From: Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com>
> To: Simon Greener <simon at spatialdbadvisor.com>
> Cc: qgis-user <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS Server Process Crash
> Message-ID:
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> On 3 April 2017 at 08:29, Simon Greener <simon at spatialdbadvisor.com>
> wrote:
> > The installation can only be on Microsoft Windows Server.
> >
> > AFAIK it is a supported platform.
>
> Unfortunately, while it may be "supported" platform, it's not *well*
> supported. There's severe known issues running server under Windows
> which have been unaddressed for a long time, eg
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13293.
>
> I'm personally not aware of anyone using QGIS server under Windows in
> a production environment.
>
> > The supplied information is all that we can find that describes the
> error.
> >
> > The Apache and QGIS error logs show nothing before the process crash.
> >
> > The QGIS Projects are all OK when they are used in QGIS Desktop: no crash
> > occurs.
> >
> > The crashing has consistently occurred in both 2.14 LTR 32bit and 2.18.4
> > 64bit.
> > The crashing has stopped the application from going live.
> >
> > If anyone can point to some "standard" settings or things that need to be
> > checked, please supply.
>
> My suggestion - either Alessandro or the team at Oslandia are the most
> knowledgeable about QGIS server setup and operation. I'd engage them
> for this project and sponsor fixes through them for any blocking
> blocking bugs in the QGIS server operation on Windows.
>
> Nyall
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 08:57:50 +1000
> From: Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com>
> To: Simon Greener <simon at spatialdbadvisor.com>
> Cc: qgis-user <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS Server Process Crash
> Message-ID:
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> hp5ag0oDg at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 3 April 2017 at 08:48, Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3 April 2017 at 08:29, Simon Greener <simon at spatialdbadvisor.com>
> wrote:
> >> The installation can only be on Microsoft Windows Server.
> >>
> >> AFAIK it is a supported platform.
> >
> > Unfortunately, while it may be "supported" platform, it's not *well*
> > supported. There's severe known issues running server under Windows
> > which have been unaddressed for a long time, eg
> > http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13293.
> >
> > I'm personally not aware of anyone using QGIS server under Windows in
> > a production environment.
> >
> >> The supplied information is all that we can find that describes the
> error.
> >>
> >> The Apache and QGIS error logs show nothing before the process crash.
> >>
> >> The QGIS Projects are all OK when they are used in QGIS Desktop: no
> crash
> >> occurs.
> >>
> >> The crashing has consistently occurred in both 2.14 LTR 32bit and 2.18.4
> >> 64bit.
> >> The crashing has stopped the application from going live.
> >>
> >> If anyone can point to some "standard" settings or things that need to
> be
> >> checked, please supply.
> >
> > My suggestion - either Alessandro or the team at Oslandia are the most
> > knowledgeable about QGIS server setup and operation. I'd engage them
> > for this project and sponsor fixes through them for any blocking
> > blocking bugs in the QGIS server operation on Windows.
>
> 3liz should also be in that list - sorry!
>
> Nyall
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 08:51:51 +0900
> From: Kunso Kim <kunsokim at gmail.com>
> To: qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Installation error
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> Thanks for your kind reply! I copied the error message and pasted it
> below.  I must say that I am novice on qgis. Any help you may be able to
> provide will be greatly appreciated.
>
> * Please use my gmail address when you send an email.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
>
> this is a typical Python unicode issue. Which affects people using non
> western character sets...  (and probably will not show up when installed
> on english/western computers).
>
> So please:
> - sent us either a screendump of the full error
> - or try to copy the list of files shown there
>
> as that will reveal which python file exactly is misbehaving.
>
>
> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 9-11:
> ordinal not in range(128)
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 333, in startPlugin
>     plugins[packageName] = package.classFactory(iface)
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python/plugins\
> MetaSearch\__init__.py",
> line 29, in classFactory
>     from MetaSearch.plugin import MetaSearchPlugin
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python/plugins\
> MetaSearch\plugin.py",
> line 33, in
>     from MetaSearch.dialogs.maindialog import MetaSearchDialog
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python/plugins\
> MetaSearch\dialogs\maindialog.py",
> line 43, in
>     from owslib.csw import CatalogueServiceWeb
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> owslib\csw.py",
> line 27, in
>     from owslib.util import OrderedDict
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> owslib\util.py",
> line 35, in
>     import requests
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> requests\__init__.py",
> line 52, in
>     from .packages.urllib3.contrib import pyopenssl
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> requests\packages\urllib3\contrib\pyopenssl.py",
> line 47, in
>     from cryptography import x509
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> cryptography\x509\__init__.py",
> line 8, in
>     from cryptography.x509.base import (
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> cryptography\x509\base.py",
> line 14, in
>     from cryptography.hazmat.primitives.asymmetric import dsa, ec, rsa
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> cryptography\hazmat\primitives\asymmetric\rsa.py",
> line 14, in
>     from cryptography.hazmat.backends.interfaces import RSABackend
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> cryptography\hazmat\backends\__init__.py",
> line 7, in
>     import pkg_resources
>   File "C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python\qgis\utils.py", line
> 607, in _import
>     mod = _builtin_import(name, globals, locals, fromlist, level)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> pkg_resources\__init__.py",
> line 2900, in
>     @_call_aside
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> pkg_resources\__init__.py",
> line 2886, in _call_aside
>     f(*args, **kwargs)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> pkg_resources\__init__.py",
> line 2913, in _initialize_master_working_set
>     working_set = WorkingSet._build_master()
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> pkg_resources\__init__.py",
> line 633, in _build_master
>     ws = cls()
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> pkg_resources\__init__.py",
> line 626, in __init__
>     self.add_entry(entry)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> pkg_resources\__init__.py",
> line 682, in add_entry
>     for dist in find_distributions(entry, True):
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> pkg_resources\__init__.py",
> line 1903, in find_distributions
>     importer = get_importer(path_item)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\pkgutil.py", line
> 384, in get_importer
>     importer = path_hook(path_item)
> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position
> 9-11: ordinal not in range(128)
>
>
>
> 파이썬 버전: 2.7.4 (default, Apr  6 2013, 19:54:46) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
> QGIS 버전: 2.18.5 Las Palmas, 140a01f
>
> Python Path:
>
>    - C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python/plugins\processing
>    - C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python
>    - C:/Users/김군소/.qgis2/python
>    - C:/Users/김군소/.qgis2/python/plugins
>    - C:/PROGRA~2/QGIS2~1.18/apps/qgis/./python/plugins
>    -
>    C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> matplotlib-1.3.1-py2.7-win32.egg
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\bin\python27.zip
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\DLLs
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\plat-win
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\lib-tk
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\bin
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\PIL
>    -
>    C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> jinja2-2.7.2-py2.7.egg
>    -
>    C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> markupsafe-0.23-py2.7-win32.egg
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\win32
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\win32\lib
>    - C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\Pythonwin
>    -
>    C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\
> Shapely-1.2.18-py2.7-win32.egg
>    -
>    C:\PROGRA~2\QGIS2~1.18\apps\Python27\lib\site-packages\wx-
> 2.8-msw-unicode
>    - C:/Users/김군소/.qgis2//python
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 08:54:43 +0200
> From: Alessandro Pasotti <apasotti at gmail.com>
> To: Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com>
> Cc: Simon Greener <simon at spatialdbadvisor.com>, qgis-user
>         <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS Server Process Crash
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> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 3 April 2017 at 08:48, Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 3 April 2017 at 08:29, Simon Greener <simon at spatialdbadvisor.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> The installation can only be on Microsoft Windows Server.
> > >>
> > >> AFAIK it is a supported platform.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, while it may be "supported" platform, it's not *well*
> > > supported. There's severe known issues running server under Windows
> > > which have been unaddressed for a long time, eg
> > > http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13293.
> > >
> > > I'm personally not aware of anyone using QGIS server under Windows in
> > > a production environment.
> > >
> > >> The supplied information is all that we can find that describes the
> > error.
> > >>
> > >> The Apache and QGIS error logs show nothing before the process crash.
> > >>
> > >> The QGIS Projects are all OK when they are used in QGIS Desktop: no
> > crash
> > >> occurs.
> > >>
> > >> The crashing has consistently occurred in both 2.14 LTR 32bit and
> 2.18.4
> > >> 64bit.
> > >> The crashing has stopped the application from going live.
> > >>
> > >> If anyone can point to some "standard" settings or things that need to
> > be
> > >> checked, please supply.
> > >
> > > My suggestion - either Alessandro or the team at Oslandia are the most
> > > knowledgeable about QGIS server setup and operation. I'd engage them
> > > for this project and sponsor fixes through them for any blocking
> > > blocking bugs in the QGIS server operation on Windows.
> >
> > 3liz should also be in that list - sorry!
> >
>
>
> And Camp2Camp too.
>
>
> --
> Alessandro Pasotti
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