[Qgis-user] QGIS 3.4 macOS still doesn't install GRASS properly, ... 'sigh...'

Luis Puerto luiss.puerto at gmail.com
Mon Nov 5 03:25:49 PST 2018 

I didn’t thought about that… and I always assumed that you needed a mac do develop in mac, but if you Google about it I think it’s more a legal issue that a technical issue and people is just virtualizing macOS on VMware and other software. Seems that has downsides, but people say it’s workable. 

Anyhow, I understand about the legal side of the issue. 

> On 5 Nov 2018, at 02:43, Alexandre Neto <senhor.neto at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Not to read as an excuse, but just to bring one interesting fact, that may explain the lack of will or interest by non Mac developers to solve an issue that affects only Mac OS users:
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> You can build and test for windows using a Linux or Mac operating system with a windows virtual machine. 
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> You can build and test for Linux using a Windows or Mac operating system with a linux virtual machine. 
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> You CAN'T build nor test for Mac using a Linux or Windows operating system with a Mac OS Virtual Machine unless you use Mac hardware.
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> Apple doesn't make it easy, you need proprietary software AND hardware to help support qgis on Mac OS.
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> Best regards, 
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> Alexandre Neto 
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> A sáb, 3/11/2018, 15:20, Adam Dershowitz <dersh at alum.mit.edu <mailto:dersh at alum.mit.edu>> escreveu:
> QGIS is supported on macports and works “out of the box” there.  It is annoying that using both homebrew and macports together isn’t supported, but that is not a QGIS issue, but a more general package manager issue.
> 
> 
> --Adam
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>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Luis Puerto <luiss.puerto at gmail.com <mailto:luiss.puerto at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hey! 
>> 
>> Thanks for the hint. I already knew and I’ve been trying to collaborate there as much as my ruby knowledge allow me. I have installed both QGIS2 and 3 with homebrew in my machine, which usually take me (us) some effort every time there is a new release since I like to build in my machine. For that reason I say I don’t understand why there isn’t any support —as far as I know— from QGIS development to have real up and running Homebrew tap, so users just have to type in their terminal brew install qgis3 and then use the app out of the box. 
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>>> On 2 Nov 2018, at 21:21, Alex M <tech_dev at wildintellect.com <mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/OSGeo/homebrew-osgeo4mac <https://github.com/OSGeo/homebrew-osgeo4mac>
>>> 
>>> Is the more or less official attempt to support brew install of QGIS and
>>> friends. If you are a Mac user who would like to help with that effort,
>>> that's the place.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/18 00:31, Luis Puerto wrote:
>>>> I just want to give my two cents about “the issue” in macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> I really agree with others that rage and anger aren’t going to take us to anywhere productive although I understand the frustration when you have the feeling that something is more complicate in your platform for not reason at all. 
>>>> 
>>>> I understand that we, macOS users, are the least concern, since we are perhaps the lesser ones. And on top of that macOS seems more complicated to make things just work. And on top top of that seems that there are few developers of QGIS on macOS. A vicious circle. 
>>>> 
>>>> I really appreciate all the work and effort of everyone involve in the development of QGIS for all the platforms, and specially for macOS, since it’s the one I’m using. I really really really appreciate the work even more since I know that a lot of that effort is for free. This is an open source community and a lot of the people involve just invest hours in solve problems and to bring new features to users just for their love to this project. That is really admirable! 
>>>> 
>>>> As a Homebrew user I wondering why QGIS development for macOS isn’t more involved into bring QGIS through that tool, since, at least in my opinion, make thing easier. It’s true that for a lot of people work with the terminal is scary. It was for me when I have to return to work with the terminal for some projects, and remember working with MS-DOS when I was in high school, so it wasn’t something new. But, if you can install something as QGIS just typing in your terminal “brew install qgis3” or “brew cask install qgis3” and after that everything just works it’s just wonderful. And sometimes just do. 
>>>> 
>>>> Again, thanks a lot, and I hope we can workout the issues in macOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Luis Puerto
>>>> luispuerto.net <http://luispuerto.net/>
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:52, Ivano Giuliano <ivano.giuliano at gmail.com <mailto:ivano.giuliano at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Nicolas,
>>>>> wise words.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Ivano
>>>>> 
>>>>> Il giorno gio 1 nov 2018 alle 18:31 Nicolas Cadieux <nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca <mailto:nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca> <mailto:nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca <mailto:nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca>>> ha scritto:
>>>>> Hi Stace,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a help list made up of mostly of users responding for free and if we don’t know the answer we can’t help.  Your problem has been acknowledged, you received confirmation that the current download is broken “Yes, this one was broken, now there is a new version to download that is fixed (and shouold stay fixed in the future, for this specific problem)” and that they have found $3000 for a permanent fix for making an easier Mac installation which is what you are looking for if I am not mistaken. A link to this project was sent to you. You could contact that team to see the evolution of that project and see how you can help them with the trouble shooting.  That would be a positive contribution on your part and it may get you to your solution faster than you think.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know it can be frustrating to be stuck with a software problem when you need a quick fix but please remember that this is an OpenSource project where volunteer users and developers are try to be helpful and try to contribute in a positive manner. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nicolas Cadieux
>>>>> (list user with no link with the QGIS project)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 1 nov. 2018 à 11:35, Mr. Stace D Maples <stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu> <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu>>> a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 11 responses about how I should contribute more, how my problem was posted, how I can give money…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not one suggestion for how to fix the issue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In F,L&T,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stace Maples 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Geospatial Manager 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stanford Geospatial Center
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @mapninja 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 214.641.0920
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Find GeoData: https://earthworks.stanford.edu <https://earthworks.stanford.edu/> <https://earthworks.stanford.edu/ <https://earthworks.stanford.edu/>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/> <https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/>>
>>>>>> stanfordgis Listserv: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis <https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis><https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis <https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I have a map of the United States... actual size. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile." 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I spent last summer folding it." 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Steven Wright-
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: William Kyngesburye <woklist at kyngchaos.com <mailto:woklist at kyngchaos.com> <mailto:woklist at kyngchaos.com <mailto:woklist at kyngchaos.com>>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com <mailto:kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com> <mailto:kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com <mailto:kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>>>
>>>>>> Date: Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:28 AM
>>>>>> To: "Mr. Stace D Maples" <stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu> <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu>>>
>>>>>> Cc: Qgis-user <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org> <mailto:qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS 3.4 macOS still doesn't install GRASS properly, ... 'sigh...'
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't know why you're saying not having a working installer with GRASS, the last few versions have been working as far as I know, I haven't heard of any problems recently.  Yes, this one was broken, now there is a new version to download that is fixed (and shouold stay fixed in the future, for this specific problem).  Really, a polite "GRASS is not working, it's doing this, or not doing that" on the mailing list, or better a bug report, is all that's needed.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Mr. Stace D Maples <stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu> <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seriously, we just can’t get a working installer for macOS? It’s just never gonna happen, is that it? I’d love to be able to teach QGIS alongside Esri, but I can tell people to use something that doesn’t work, out of the box. I’ve been trying for 2 days now to get back to a working copy of QGIS3. It’s my fault, of course. I know better than to upgrade, now.  If you aren’t going to test it properly, don’t release it.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Here is what I get when running GRASS tools:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2018-10-31T08:54:25     INFO    GRASS GIS 7 execution console output
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         WARNING: Default locale settings are missing. GRASS running with C locale.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         Starting GRASS GIS...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         ERROR: Path '//' doesn't exist
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         Default locale not found, using UTF-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         Exiting...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         WARNING: Default locale settings are missing. GRASS running with C locale.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         Starting GRASS GIS...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         ERROR: Path '//' doesn't exist
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         Default locale not found, using UTF-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>         Exiting...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I read the ReadMe and followed the instructions
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I’ve added the ENV variables
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I’ve scrubbed everything and done a clean install (several times)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I even tried the futile installation of the GRASS “required frameworks” which seem to be the only solutions anyone is able to suggest on StackExchange.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes I tried installing GRASS on it’s own and pointing to it from the processing settings, which didn’t work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perfectly open to suggestions that DON’T involve any of the above.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In F,L&T,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stace Maples 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Geospatial Manager 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stanford Geospatial Center
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @mapninja 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 214.641.0920
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Find GeoData: https://earthworks.stanford.edu <https://earthworks.stanford.edu/> <https://earthworks.stanford.edu/ <https://earthworks.stanford.edu/>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/> <https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/>>
>>>>>> stanfordgis Listserv: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis <https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis><https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis <https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I have a map of the United States... actual size. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile." 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I spent last summer folding it." 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Steven Wright-
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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