[Qgis-user] QGIS 3.4 macOS still doesn't install GRASS properly, ... 'sigh...'

Mon Nov 5 03:44:22 PST 2018

It's a technical and legal limitation. You "can" workaround using a
custom/hacked Virtual Machine, aka a Hackintosh, but still, how viable is
that for building and testing purposes?

Luis Puerto <luiss.puerto at gmail.com> escreveu no dia segunda, 5/11/2018 às
11:25:

> I didn’t thought about that… and I always assumed that you needed a mac do
> develop in mac, but if you Google about it I think it’s more a legal issue
> that a technical issue and people is just virtualizing macOS on VMware and
> other software. Seems that has downsides, but people say it’s workable.
>
> Anyhow, I understand about the legal side of the issue.
>
>
> On 5 Nov 2018, at 02:43, Alexandre Neto <senhor.neto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not to read as an excuse, but just to bring one interesting fact, that may
> explain the lack of will or interest by non Mac developers to solve an
> issue that affects only Mac OS users:
>
> You can build and test for windows using a Linux or Mac operating system
> with a windows virtual machine.
>
>
> You can build and test for Linux using a Windows or Mac operating system
> with a linux virtual machine.
>
>
> You CAN'T build nor test for Mac using a Linux or Windows operating system
> with a Mac OS Virtual Machine unless you use Mac hardware.
>
> Apple doesn't make it easy, you need proprietary software AND hardware to
> help support qgis on Mac OS.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alexandre Neto
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A sáb, 3/11/2018, 15:20, Adam Dershowitz <dersh at alum.mit.edu> escreveu:
>
>> QGIS is supported on macports and works “out of the box” there.  It is
>> annoying that using both homebrew and macports together isn’t supported,
>> but that is not a QGIS issue, but a more general package manager issue.
>>
>>
>> --Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Luis Puerto <luiss.puerto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey!
>>
>> Thanks for the hint. I already knew and I’ve been trying to collaborate
>> there as much as my ruby knowledge allow me. I have installed both QGIS2
>> and 3 with homebrew in my machine, which usually take me (us) some effort
>> every time there is a new release since I like to build in my machine. For
>> that reason I say I don’t understand why there isn’t any support —as far as
>> I know— from QGIS development to have real up and running Homebrew tap, so
>> users just have to type in their terminal brew install qgis3 and then
>> use the app *out of the box*.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Nov 2018, at 21:21, Alex M <tech_dev at wildintellect.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://github.com/OSGeo/homebrew-osgeo4mac
>>
>> Is the more or less official attempt to support brew install of QGIS and
>> friends. If you are a Mac user who would like to help with that effort,
>> that's the place.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 11/2/18 00:31, Luis Puerto wrote:
>>
>> I just want to give my two cents about “the issue” in macOS.
>>
>> I really agree with others that rage and anger aren’t going to take us to
>> anywhere productive although I understand the frustration when you have the
>> feeling that something is more complicate in your platform for not reason
>> at all.
>>
>> I understand that we, macOS users, are the least concern, since we are
>> perhaps the lesser ones. And on top of that macOS seems more complicated to
>> make things just work. And on top top of that seems that there are few
>> developers of QGIS on macOS. A vicious circle.
>>
>> I really appreciate all the work and effort of everyone involve in the
>> development of QGIS for all the platforms, and specially for macOS, since
>> it’s the one I’m using. I really really really appreciate the work even
>> more since I know that a lot of that effort is for free. This is an open
>> source community and a lot of the people involve just invest hours in solve
>> problems and to bring new features to users just for their love to this
>> project. That is really admirable!
>>
>> As a Homebrew user I wondering why QGIS development for macOS isn’t more
>> involved into bring QGIS through that tool, since, at least in my opinion,
>> make thing easier. It’s true that for a lot of people work with the
>> terminal is scary. It was for me when I have to return to work with the
>> terminal for some projects, and remember working with MS-DOS when I was in
>> high school, so it wasn’t something new. But, if you can install something
>> as QGIS just typing in your terminal “brew install qgis3” or “brew cask
>> install qgis3” and after that everything just works it’s just wonderful.
>> And sometimes just do.
>>
>> Again, thanks a lot, and I hope we can workout the issues in macOS.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Luis Puerto
>> luispuerto.net
>>
>> On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:52, Ivano Giuliano <ivano.giuliano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nicolas,
>> wise words.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ivano
>>
>> Il giorno gio 1 nov 2018 alle 18:31 Nicolas Cadieux <
>> nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca <mailto:nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca
>> <nicolas.cadieux at archeotec.ca>>> ha scritto:
>> Hi Stace,
>>
>> This is a help list made up of mostly of users responding for free and if
>> we don’t know the answer we can’t help.  Your problem has been
>> acknowledged, you received confirmation that the current download is broken
>> “Yes, this one was broken, now there is a new version to download that is
>> fixed (and shouold stay fixed in the future, for this specific problem)”
>> and that they have found $3000 for a permanent fix for making an easier Mac
>> installation which is what you are looking for if I am not mistaken. A link
>> to this project was sent to you. You could contact that team to see the
>> evolution of that project and see how you can help them with the trouble
>> shooting.  That would be a positive contribution on your part and it may
>> get you to your solution faster than you think.
>>
>> I know it can be frustrating to be stuck with a software problem when you
>> need a quick fix but please remember that this is an OpenSource project
>> where volunteer users and developers are try to be helpful and try to
>> contribute in a positive manner.
>>
>> Nicolas Cadieux
>> (list user with no link with the QGIS project)
>>
>> Le 1 nov. 2018 à 11:35, Mr. Stace D Maples <stacemaples at stanford.edu <
>> mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu <stacemaples at stanford.edu>>> a écrit :
>>
>> 11 responses about how I should contribute more, how my problem was
>> posted, how I can give money…
>>
>>
>>
>> Not one suggestion for how to fix the issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> In F,L&T,
>>
>> Stace Maples
>>
>> Geospatial Manager
>>
>> Stanford Geospatial Center
>>
>> @mapninja
>>
>> G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples
>>
>> 214.641.0920 <(214)%20641-0920>
>>
>> Find GeoData: https://earthworks.stanford.edu <
>> https://earthworks.stanford.edu/>
>>
>> Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/>
>> stanfordgis Listserv:
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis<
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis>
>>
>>
>>
>> "I have a map of the United States... actual size.
>>
>> It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile."
>>
>> I spent last summer folding it."
>>
>> -Steven Wright-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: William Kyngesburye <woklist at kyngchaos.com <
>> mailto:woklist at kyngchaos.com <woklist at kyngchaos.com>>>
>> Reply-To: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com <
>> mailto:kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>>>
>> Date: Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:28 AM
>> To: "Mr. Stace D Maples" <stacemaples at stanford.edu <
>> mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu <stacemaples at stanford.edu>>>
>> Cc: Qgis-user <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org <
>> mailto:qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS 3.4 macOS still doesn't install GRASS
>> properly, ... 'sigh...'
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know why you're saying not having a working installer with GRASS,
>> the last few versions have been working as far as I know, I haven't heard
>> of any problems recently.  Yes, this one was broken, now there is a new
>> version to download that is fixed (and shouold stay fixed in the future,
>> for this specific problem).  Really, a polite "GRASS is not working, it's
>> doing this, or not doing that" on the mailing list, or better a bug report,
>> is all that's needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Mr. Stace D Maples <
>> stacemaples at stanford.edu <mailto:stacemaples at stanford.edu
>> <stacemaples at stanford.edu>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Seriously, we just can’t get a working installer for macOS? It’s just
>> never gonna happen, is that it? I’d love to be able to teach QGIS alongside
>> Esri, but I can tell people to use something that doesn’t work, out of the
>> box. I’ve been trying for 2 days now to get back to a working copy of
>> QGIS3. It’s my fault, of course. I know better than to upgrade, now.  If
>> you aren’t going to test it properly, don’t release it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is what I get when running GRASS tools:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2018-10-31T08:54:25     INFO    GRASS GIS 7 execution console output
>>
>>         WARNING: Default locale settings are missing. GRASS running with
>> C locale.
>>
>>
>>
>>         Starting GRASS GIS...
>>
>>
>>
>>         ERROR: Path '//' doesn't exist
>>
>>
>>
>>         Default locale not found, using UTF-8
>>
>>
>>
>>         Exiting...
>>
>>
>>
>>         WARNING: Default locale settings are missing. GRASS running with
>> C locale.
>>
>>
>>
>>         Starting GRASS GIS...
>>
>>
>>
>>         ERROR: Path '//' doesn't exist
>>
>>
>>
>>         Default locale not found, using UTF-8
>>
>>
>>
>>         Exiting...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I read the ReadMe and followed the instructions
>>
>> Yes, I’ve added the ENV variables
>>
>> Yes, I’ve scrubbed everything and done a clean install (several times)
>>
>> Yes, I even tried the futile installation of the GRASS “required
>> frameworks” which seem to be the only solutions anyone is able to suggest
>> on StackExchange.
>>
>> Yes I tried installing GRASS on it’s own and pointing to it from the
>> processing settings, which didn’t work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perfectly open to suggestions that DON’T involve any of the above.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In F,L&T,
>>
>> Stace Maples
>>
>> Geospatial Manager
>>
>> Stanford Geospatial Center
>>
>> @mapninja
>>
>> G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples
>>
>> 214.641.0920 <(214)%20641-0920>
>>
>> Find GeoData: https://earthworks.stanford.edu <
>> https://earthworks.stanford.edu/>
>>
>> Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ <https://gis.stanford.edu/>
>> stanfordgis Listserv:
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis<
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/stanfordgis>
>>
>>
>>
>> "I have a map of the United States... actual size.
>>
>> It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile."
>>
>> I spent last summer folding it."
>>
>> -Steven Wright-
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> All generalizations are dangerous, even this one.
>>
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