[OSGeo-Standards] [Board] Status of the 10 OGC slots for OSGeo members

Thu Sep 13 01:26:22 PDT 2012

Andrea,
Can you please tell us whether you think you qualify for OGC individual 
memebership, as per the link below. (I suspect the IPR clause might be a 
challenge).

On 13/09/2012 12:09 PM, Carl Reed wrote:
> Cameron -
>
> Sure. Let me review more closely. Also, check out the OGC Individual 
> Member info and restrictions on the OGC website.
>
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/join/level/individual
>
> IPR is a key aspect.
>
> Cheers
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Shorter
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: Arnulf Christl
> Cc: Andrea Aime ; standards at lists.osgeo.org ; osgeo-board List ; Carl 
> Reed
> Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Standards] Status of the 10 OGC slots for 
> OSGeo members
>
> Arnulf, Carl,
> Is there any reason why a person would not be granted one of the OGC
> slots for OSGeo members? If so, can we please list them on our wiki:
>
> Possible reasons for not being provided with the OGC slot:
> * The person works for an OGC member company or institution (and as such
> already has OGC access)
>
> * The person works for a spatial type company which by OGC assessment
> should become a member. This would likely be the clause most referred
> to. Eg, I understand Andrea has an interest in OGC standards through his
> work, but his company is not currently working on an OGC testbed and
> probably doesn't consider it worth becoming a member at this point.
>
> * The person is not currently working on Open Source Geospatial Software
>
> Can we also please also add a "token granted: date" next to each person
> with a token.
>
> On 13/09/2012 8:05 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:
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>> Cameron,
>> thanks for reminding me. Basically everything has been said on the
>> lists and is documented in the Wiki [1]. Michael has drafted a more
>> refined process which maybe is a little too formal for what we need
>> right now but works fine for me. I would be happy to stay one of the
>> liaisons to the OGC and also added him to our small "selection
>> committee". Maybe we can get board approval for this at the meeting
>> tomorrow?
>>
>> I will have to check my schedule but I should be able to standby
>> during the board meeting to answer any questions.
>>
>> My concern is more along the linies of what Carl summarized when he
>> said thet the whole idea behind this was to get some more *active*
>> engagement from the Open Source Community in the standards processes
>> of the OGC. So far there has been extremely little to no visible
>> participation from within OSGeo through this channel. The only
>> exception is Volker Mische who made good use of the donated
>> membership. He gave regular reports about what he did and when he was
>> hired by his company gracefully stepped down to make way for somebody
>> who does not have the option to join through a regular business
>> membership. This was how we originally thought this would work.
>>
>> And we should remind ourselves that the OGC has no obligation
>> whatsoever to give us this option and that they can terminate it at
>> any time. So it does not really suit us well to demand anything from
>> them, some mails sounded a bit as if that were the case.
>>
>> But with the renewed interest we have been seen in the past week maybe
>> we can get something useful done.
>>
>> Another minor question: Currently on the sponsor pages it says to
>> contact me for further information (and that I am president, so we
>> need to change that anyway). I edited all language pages in a hurry
>> when Tyler left. Now to do it right, what should I change it to?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Arnulf
>>
>> [1]
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_signs_Memorandum_of_Understanding_with_OGC#Designated_OSGeo_Members 
>>
>>
>> On 09/12/2012 09:25 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Arnulf, This question is back up for discussion at the OSGeo Board
>>> meeting [1] in half a day.(13th of September 2012 at 12:00 UTC
>>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2012&month=09&day=13&hour=12&min=0&sec=0> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> )
>>> Last time we left the conversation we wanted to find out from
>>> yourself what has been agreed to be the process for handing out OGC
>>> membership tokens, and have such guidelines encoded into a wiki.
>>>
>>> Could you please weigh in on this conversation.
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2012-09-13
>>>
>>> On 15/08/2012 8:55 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>> If I recall from my original thoughts on this…
>>>>
>>>> * A Token Oversight and Allocation Committee (TOAC) would act on
>>>> behalf of the OSGeo Board to track allocation, usage, and
>>>> revocation of the tokens. The TOAC would consist of 2-3 folks,
>>>> including at least one OSGeo board member and one OGC staff
>>>> person. TOAC members to volunteer, and should have both OSGeo and
>>>> OGC experience. OSGeo Board to appoint initial TOAC chair, etc,
>>>> just like other osgeo committees operate.
>>>>
>>>> * TOAC should rarely require any actual meetings; emails should
>>>> suffice.
>>>>
>>>> * Requests for tokens would be made by email, with an explanation
>>>> of what the token would be used for and why OSGeo should care.
>>>> TOAC should respond promptly to requests.
>>>>
>>>> * Tokens would be allocated allocated for a fixed period of time
>>>> (6-12 months?). After that period, the token holder would be
>>>> required to report on his or her use of the token -- nothing
>>>> onerous, just an email to the TOAC explaining what he is doing in
>>>> OGC-land and why OSGeo should care.
>>>>
>>>> * Renewals for tokens should be simple -- as long as no one else
>>>> is waiting for a token, and as long as the token holder is
>>>> reporting that he is doing Good and Useful Stuff, then another
>>>> 6-12 months should be granted.
>>>>
>>>> * Token requestors may be any OSGeo community member (need not be
>>>> a Charter member or whatever).
>>>>
>>>> * TOAC should report regularly (6-12 months) to OSGeo board and
>>>> OGC mgmt on use of the tokens. Again, just a decent email would
>>>> suffice.
>>>>
>>>> * In the event of token demand exceeding token supply, the TOAC
>>>> should arbitrate based on both (1) how long each token has been
>>>> in use by one person and (2) hope valuable the usage of that
>>>> token has been. TOAC to use a consensus-based approach, based on
>>>> token usage supporting the goals of the foundation.
>>>>
>>>> -mpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Cameron Shorter
>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that it would be a good idea to document a process
>>>>> for allocating the OGC membership token.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrea, as you are probably the person with the most pressing
>>>>> need, would you be interested in putting together a first draft
>>>>> for what such a process might look like?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd suggest starting the Draft process here somewhere:
>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Standards
>>>>>
>>>>> If the process is suitably complete, we can discuss and sign
>>>>> off on it it at the next board meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Items which I think should be considered in the process: * Why
>>>>> would we give the membership to one person over another? * Who
>>>>> would approve the allocation of OGC membership to someone? The
>>>>> board? Other OGC members? * What expectations would we have
>>>>> OSGeo/OGC members? * How long would OSGeo/OGC membership last?
>>>>> What would be the process for retiring/replacing a member? *
>>>>> Where would we list the current OSGeo/OGC members? (I'd like
>>>>> to know who is on this list now)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/08/2012 1:28 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>>> Hey, fellow Boarders, do we have anyone who owns this topic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:29 AM, Andrea Aime
>>>>>> <andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it
>>>>>> <mailto:andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all, I'm wondering what is the status of the 10 OGC
>>>>>>> personal membership slots that were given to OSGeo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are they all taken? If not, is there a particular procedure
>>>>>>> to follow in order to get one of those?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers Andrea
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> On 15/08/2012 3:14 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>>> I know I posted some ideas for managing this many months ago,
>>>>>> perhaps before I was on the board…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll add two things to the next mtg agenda: - formalize
>>>>>> process for allocating and reviewing OGC memberships - give
>>>>>> one to Andrea Aime (assuming we have an extra one available)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Jeff McKenna
>>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi mpg and fellow Board members,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm one of the ones using a slot (I thought it was 6 not
>>>>>>> 10, but maybe a few years ago it was 6 available).  My
>>>>>>> process was that I responded on discuss or wherever when I
>>>>>>> heard of this, and then Arnulf put me in touch with an OGC
>>>>>>> membership person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not aware of a formal process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12-08-14 12:28 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey, fellow Boarders, do we have anyone who owns this
>>>>>>>> topic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2
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>>>>>
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>>
>> - -- Arnulf Christl
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