[OSGeo-Standards] [Board] Status of the 10 OGC slots for OSGeo members

Arnulf Christl arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net
Thu Sep 13 01:17:01 PDT 2012

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when setting up the Wiki page I decided to not verbatim replicate the
rules of the OGC Individual Membership on the OSGeo Wiki because we
would simply be creating an unmaintained copy. Therefore I linked to
the corresponding OGC page [1] which explains the conditions.

I also added the end date of the OGC terms for current members, so
everything should be in place now. Thanks again for double checking.

But none of this answers my original question which tried to find out
what we can do to improve joint activities with the OGC. Apparently
the Individual Members slots don't do the trick. There is some
cross-over through the regular OGC membership but it has already taken
place before our MoU. So I am still open for suggestions.


[1] http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/join/level/individual

On 09/13/2012 12:01 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Arnulf, Carl, Is there any reason why a person would not be granted
> one of the OGC slots for OSGeo members? If so, can we please list
> them on our wiki:
> Possible reasons for not being provided with the OGC slot: * The
> person works for an OGC member company or institution (and as such 
> already has OGC access)
> * The person works for a spatial type company which by OGC
> assessment should become a member. This would likely be the clause
> most referred to. Eg, I understand Andrea has an interest in OGC
> standards through his work, but his company is not currently
> working on an OGC testbed and probably doesn't consider it worth
> becoming a member at this point.
> * The person is not currently working on Open Source Geospatial
> Software
> Can we also please also add a "token granted: date" next to each
> person with a token.
> On 13/09/2012 8:05 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote: Cameron, thanks for
> reminding me. Basically everything has been said on the lists and
> is documented in the Wiki [1]. Michael has drafted a more refined
> process which maybe is a little too formal for what we need right
> now but works fine for me. I would be happy to stay one of the 
> liaisons to the OGC and also added him to our small "selection 
> committee". Maybe we can get board approval for this at the
> meeting tomorrow?
> I will have to check my schedule but I should be able to standby 
> during the board meeting to answer any questions.
> My concern is more along the linies of what Carl summarized when
> he said thet the whole idea behind this was to get some more
> *active* engagement from the Open Source Community in the standards
> processes of the OGC. So far there has been extremely little to no
> visible participation from within OSGeo through this channel. The
> only exception is Volker Mische who made good use of the donated 
> membership. He gave regular reports about what he did and when he
> was hired by his company gracefully stepped down to make way for
> somebody who does not have the option to join through a regular
> business membership. This was how we originally thought this would
> work.
> And we should remind ourselves that the OGC has no obligation 
> whatsoever to give us this option and that they can terminate it
> at any time. So it does not really suit us well to demand anything
> from them, some mails sounded a bit as if that were the case.
> But with the renewed interest we have been seen in the past week
> maybe we can get something useful done.
> Another minor question: Currently on the sponsor pages it says to 
> contact me for further information (and that I am president, so we 
> need to change that anyway). I edited all language pages in a
> hurry when Tyler left. Now to do it right, what should I change it
> to?
> Cheers, Arnulf
> [1] 
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_signs_Memorandum_of_Understanding_with_OGC#Designated_OSGeo_Members
> On 09/12/2012 09:25 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>> Arnulf, This question is back up for discussion at the OSGeo
>>>> Board meeting [1] in half a day.(13th of September 2012 at
>>>> 12:00 UTC 
>>>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2012&month=09&day=13&hour=12&min=0&sec=0>
>>>> Last time we left the conversation we wanted to find out
>>>> from yourself what has been agreed to be the process for
>>>> handing out OGC membership tokens, and have such guidelines
>>>> encoded into a wiki.
>>>> Could you please weigh in on this conversation.
>>>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2012-09-13
>>>> On 15/08/2012 8:55 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>> If I recall from my original thoughts on this…
>>>>> * A Token Oversight and Allocation Committee (TOAC) would
>>>>> act on behalf of the OSGeo Board to track allocation,
>>>>> usage, and revocation of the tokens. The TOAC would consist
>>>>> of 2-3 folks, including at least one OSGeo board member and
>>>>> one OGC staff person. TOAC members to volunteer, and should
>>>>> have both OSGeo and OGC experience. OSGeo Board to appoint
>>>>> initial TOAC chair, etc, just like other osgeo committees
>>>>> operate.
>>>>> * TOAC should rarely require any actual meetings; emails
>>>>> should suffice.
>>>>> * Requests for tokens would be made by email, with an
>>>>> explanation of what the token would be used for and why
>>>>> OSGeo should care. TOAC should respond promptly to
>>>>> requests.
>>>>> * Tokens would be allocated allocated for a fixed period of
>>>>> time (6-12 months?). After that period, the token holder
>>>>> would be required to report on his or her use of the token
>>>>> -- nothing onerous, just an email to the TOAC explaining
>>>>> what he is doing in OGC-land and why OSGeo should care.
>>>>> * Renewals for tokens should be simple -- as long as no one
>>>>> else is waiting for a token, and as long as the token
>>>>> holder is reporting that he is doing Good and Useful Stuff,
>>>>> then another 6-12 months should be granted.
>>>>> * Token requestors may be any OSGeo community member (need
>>>>> not be a Charter member or whatever).
>>>>> * TOAC should report regularly (6-12 months) to OSGeo board
>>>>> and OGC mgmt on use of the tokens. Again, just a decent
>>>>> email would suffice.
>>>>> * In the event of token demand exceeding token supply, the
>>>>> TOAC should arbitrate based on both (1) how long each token
>>>>> has been in use by one person and (2) hope valuable the
>>>>> usage of that token has been. TOAC to use a consensus-based
>>>>> approach, based on token usage supporting the goals of the
>>>>> foundation.
>>>>> -mpg
>>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Cameron Shorter 
>>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> I suggest that it would be a good idea to document a
>>>>>> process for allocating the OGC membership token.
>>>>>> Andrea, as you are probably the person with the most
>>>>>> pressing need, would you be interested in putting
>>>>>> together a first draft for what such a process might look
>>>>>> like?
>>>>>> I'd suggest starting the Draft process here somewhere: 
>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Standards
>>>>>> If the process is suitably complete, we can discuss and
>>>>>> sign off on it it at the next board meeting.
>>>>>> Items which I think should be considered in the process:
>>>>>> * Why would we give the membership to one person over
>>>>>> another? * Who would approve the allocation of OGC
>>>>>> membership to someone? The board? Other OGC members? *
>>>>>> What expectations would we have OSGeo/OGC members? * How
>>>>>> long would OSGeo/OGC membership last? What would be the
>>>>>> process for retiring/replacing a member? * Where would we
>>>>>> list the current OSGeo/OGC members? (I'd like to know who
>>>>>> is on this list now)
>>>>>> On 15/08/2012 1:28 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey, fellow Boarders, do we have anyone who owns this
>>>>>>> topic?
>>>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:29 AM, Andrea Aime 
>>>>>>> <andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it 
>>>>>>> <mailto:andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all, I'm wondering what is the status of the 10
>>>>>>>> OGC personal membership slots that were given to
>>>>>>>> OSGeo.
>>>>>>>> Are they all taken? If not, is there a particular
>>>>>>>> procedure to follow in order to get one of those?
>>>>>>>> Cheers Andrea
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>>>>>> On 15/08/2012 3:14 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>>>> I know I posted some ideas for managing this many
>>>>>>> months ago, perhaps before I was on the board…
>>>>>>> I'll add two things to the next mtg agenda: -
>>>>>>> formalize process for allocating and reviewing OGC
>>>>>>> memberships - give one to Andrea Aime (assuming we have
>>>>>>> an extra one available)
>>>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Jeff McKenna 
>>>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi mpg and fellow Board members,
>>>>>>>> I'm one of the ones using a slot (I thought it was 6
>>>>>>>> not 10, but maybe a few years ago it was 6
>>>>>>>> available).  My process was that I responded on
>>>>>>>> discuss or wherever when I heard of this, and then
>>>>>>>> Arnulf put me in touch with an OGC membership
>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>> I am not aware of a formal process.
>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>> On 12-08-14 12:28 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey, fellow Boarders, do we have anyone who owns
>>>>>>>>> this topic?
>>>>>>>>> -mpg
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