[OSGeo-Standards] OGC Documentation and OSGeo Live

Wed Dec 2 12:13:25 PST 2015

Hi Luis,
Yes, this is excellent material.
I'm happy to provide some feedback on the semantics of your content a 
bit later.

But first I think we should plan a long term strategy for how OGC 
standards are developed and published, and refine our ground rules. 
Maybe something like a MoU.

What is OGC's schedule? Does it fit with the OSGeo-Live schedule? What 
should be included in the next release?
Scott's comment earlier was "some things to review shortly after the New 
Year". So we would need a bit more insight before we expand on that.

What will be our development model. Who will be allowed/encouraged to 
edit docs? Do you want to try and tap into the OSGeo community to create 
content? If so, we should publish a "Howto contribute", along with a 
template for standards.
Do we want to publish our material to wikipedia or other sources?

We should try to avoid multiple points of truth. I'd imagine that the 
OGC would maintain a point of truth, which then gets incorporated into 
OSGeo-Live.

OSGeo-Live docs get translated into 10+ languages by the OSGeo-Live 
community. Does the OGC wish to take advantage of this? If so, we should 
work out the process.

The documents you mention are referencing an external WMS Server. This 
introduces potential obsolescence  issues, such as if the server changes 
of goes down in a year or two. OSGeo-Live also has WMS Servers, with 
sample data. This could potentially be used as reference source. (Note, 
we'd need to think through security of OSGeo Live if publishing to the web)

We have the potential to create an OGC training course, all self 
contained on the OSGeo-Live VM, with overviews, exercises and sample 
data. It would involve tweaking your existing docs, matching with web 
services and data already on OSGeo-Live. Is this a goal you would wish 
to pursue?

On 3/12/2015 2:11 am, Luis Bermudez wrote:
> Hi Cameron
>
> We also have some material that you might consider including in the 
> OSGeo-Live DVD available at the OGC E-Learning repository. The 
> standards in the repository have a main page that provides an 
> introduction to the standard. See for example:
>
> - 
> https://github.com/opengeospatial/e-learning/blob/master/source/kml/text/basic-main.rst
> - 
> https://github.com/opengeospatial/e-learning/blob/master/source/csw/text/main.rst
> - 
> https://github.com/opengeospatial/e-learning/blob/master/source/wms/text/basic-main.rst
>
> You can see our deployment here:
> http://cite.opengeospatial.org/pub/cite/files/edu/index.html
>
> As always your comments are much welcomed.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
> Executive Director Compliance and E-Learning
> Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
> Skype: bermudez_luis
> Twitter: @berdez
> Tel: +1 301 760 7323
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/bermudez
>
> The OGC: Making Location Count
>
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Scott Simmons <ssimmons at opengeospatial.org 
> <mailto:ssimmons at opengeospatial.org>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cameron,
>>
>> Not quite at the hint point yet… but I expect that we will have some 
>> things to review shortly after the New Year.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Scott
>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:21 AM, Cameron Shorter 
>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> Thanks for providing some hints at what is coming.
>>> Are you in a position yet to share plans about your schedule and at 
>>> what point you would be looking for feedback?
>>>
>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2015 12:27 pm, Scott Simmons wrote:
>>>> Dear Cameron,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for attending the Sydney GeoRabble last night and paying 
>>>> attention to my talk!  As I noted last night, the OGC Membership 
>>>> will continue to develop Standards according to our process and the 
>>>> normative publications will remain in a format that is most 
>>>> compatible with the requirements of our members and alliance 
>>>> partners. However, we are working toward one or more alternative 
>>>> publication “styles” and auxiliary material to assist the broad 
>>>> developer community with implementation of OGC Standards.
>>>>
>>>> We appreciate the offer of including such an alternative 
>>>> publication style in the OSGeo-Live DVD. Given the need to ensure 
>>>> that our documentation directly references OGC and dependent 
>>>> normative resources, it is not practical at this stage to connect 
>>>> the development of the documents to the upcoming OSGeo-Live 
>>>> release. We are happy to discuss at a later stage how we might 
>>>> coordinate as our process matures. In the meantime, we encourage 
>>>> OSGeo and all our partners to provide feedback to us as we release 
>>>> these new formats.
>>>>
>>>> Good seeing you last night.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> Scott Simmons
>>>> Executive Director, Standards Program
>>>> Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
>>>> tel +1 970 682 1922
>>>> mob +1 970 214 9467
>>>> ssimmons at opengeospatial.org <mailto:ssimmons at opengeospatial.org>
>>>>
>>>> The OGC: Making Location Count…
>>>> www.opengeospatial.org <http://www.opengeospatial.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Cameron Shorter 
>>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The OGC Technical Committee technical meeting started today, and I 
>>>>> had the great pleasure in meeting many people face-to-face, whom I 
>>>>> previously only knew by email address, as well as catch up with 
>>>>> many I hadn't seen for years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of relevance to this thread was that Scott Simmons presented on 
>>>>> his hopes to make OGC standards much more readable and usable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> As mentioned, I'm keen to see the OGC documentation to dove-tail 
>>>>> with OSGeo-Live documentation.
>>>>> In particular, I suggest that the OGC might want to consider using 
>>>>> a similar development process to OSGeo-Live, writing a template, 
>>>>> then inviting the community to help write the documentation, then 
>>>>> applying a review cycle, then offering the docs to be translated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Community building process is described here:
>>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Our documentation writing process is here:
>>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Documentation
>>>>>
>>>>> Docs here:
>>>>> http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Presentation:
>>>>> http://live.osgeo.org/en/presentation/index.html#/
>>>>>
>>>>> We are in the process of defining what will be included for 
>>>>> OSGeo-Live 9.5.
>>>>> Maybe for this release we can aim to get one exemplar standard 
>>>>> written up, possibly more, which can then be reviewed and refined 
>>>>> for future releases, and used as a template for other standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> Cameron Shorter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/11/2015 6:18 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>> We are starting the build cycle for version 9.5 of the OSGeo-Live 
>>>>>> [1] DVD/USB/VM which will be released in March 2016, ready for 
>>>>>> several special events, including FOSS4G-NA, FOSSGIS (Salzburg, 
>>>>>> Austria), among others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would like to hear from anyone wishing to add new projects to 
>>>>>> OSGeo-Live, anyone wishing to extend or add translations, or 
>>>>>> anyone who has ideas on how we should shape the upcoming release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Key Milestones
>>>>>> 11 Jan 2016 All new applications installed, most old applications 
>>>>>> updated
>>>>>> 01 Feb 2016 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)
>>>>>> 15 Feb 2016 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working)
>>>>>> 21 Mar 2016 Final ISO sent to printers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About OSGeo-Live
>>>>>> OSGeo-live is a Lubuntu based distribution of Geospatial Open 
>>>>>> Source Software, available via a Live DVD, Virtual Machine and 
>>>>>> USB. You can use OSGeo-Live to try a wide variety of open source 
>>>>>> geospatial software without installing anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://live.osgeo.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Cameron Shorter,
>>>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>>>>> LISAsoft
>>>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>>>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cameron Shorter,
>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>>> LISAsoft
>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>>
>>> P +61 2 9009 5000,  Wwww.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099
>>
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