[OSGeo-Standards] [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week

Thu Aug 18 01:59:54 PDT 2016

Hi Jonathan,

the mentioned definitions concern software. The invention is NOT a software: logical location codes consist of hours, minutes and radius. This simple method allows to improve geoAwareness concerning the following elements:

Locations           answer to the question “where?” instead of “here”, what3words, OpenLocationCode etc.

Directions          answers to the question “whereto?” instead of just “there” 

Distances           the radius is the distance to the pole, minutes are the distance to the hour (the greater, the later)

Angles               more than 50% of the population don’t know the meaning of “90 degrees” but 90% can read a clock 

This also allows a self-guiding WITHOUT MAPS like today’s self-guiding with house numbers. 

Does anybody see any software? The invention concerns IMAGINARY tools using the division of the horizon into 12 directions. Of course, these tools can only be free, open and libre.

Besides: the definition deciders have forgotten that symbolical fees are best practice. Even the unleashing of the entire invention could be a possibility, but why should I invest time on that if nobody lets me know that she/he cares about the benefits for the consumers and students? 

In my opinion, the core of OSGeo is neither software nor maps but GeoAwareness. I propose to think about a branch called OpenImaginaryMaps (with a logo www.volksnav.de/OSGeoNewLogo ?) where OSGeo would - for the first time and without any software –have the possibility to contribute with a free and open search grid, free and open location codes, free and open forgotten navigation methods with compasses etc. etc.

The contrary of nonsense is BonnSense. A matter for Bonn? 

Henrique

Von: Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathan-lists at lightpear.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. August 2016 11:42
An: Munich Orientation Convention
Cc: discuss at lists.osgeo.org
Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week

Hi Henrique,
    > "Therefore:  OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes."

    I'm not sure that's a good take-home from the conversation so far.
    The OSGeo appears to already have a pretty clear definition of what it considers free and open (from  <http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html#Open_Source> http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html#Open_Source ) :

    "Open source software is software where the source code is made available under a license that allows the modification, and re-distribution of the software at will."

    So while there are multiple interpretations and variations for "free" and "open", as far as I can see, if software isn't distributed under an OSI approved license ( <https://opensource.org/licenses> https://opensource.org/licenses ), it's not "free and open" for the purposes of the current definition as used by the OSGeo.
    Whether the OSGeo definition (or by extension the OSI one) is correct is a question that's beyond the scope of my reply. :-)

Cheers,
Jonathan

---- On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:00:38 +0100 Munich Orientation Convention< <mailto:volksnav at volksnav.de> volksnav at volksnav.de> wrote ---- 

Hello Brian,

thank you for the confirmation that MOC isn’t (and shouldn’t be) free and open. Therefore:  OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes. 

My last approach concerned ideas to the Geo Awareness Week, that means, for young consumers. A similar situation: adults decide about writing, publishing and buying books for children.

In Bonn there will a speech about free, open and libre. This shows that in some cases openmania could be the wrong way. 

The site “free the post code” www.freeThePostCode.org proves that even enigmatic post codes aren’t free, therefore universities etc. promote it (by unreflected use?). According to my surveys, nobody knows where is the N/S/E/W transition point ( the pole ! ) in London. 

I also wrote to the National Geographic and I’m sure that Geo Awareness and open mind will overcome. 

One possibility could be to amputate the invention to a free and open torso for those who insist on saving EUR 1,- . Would this be of interest for OSGeo?

Henrique

Von: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] Im Auftrag von Brian M Hamlin
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2016 21:29
An: discuss at lists.osgeo.org; Standards at lists.osgeo.org
Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week

Dear Colleagues -

  I strongly object to this statement.. 

" ... t this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with... "

  There are numerous references to cite here..  details on request

best regards from Berkeley, California

  --Brian M Hamlin   PSC OSGeo-Live, California Chapter

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Quote: " The license fee for educational purposes is symbolically EUR 1,- "

This implies there is also a (higher?) non-educational fee, and also means IMHO that this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with...

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