[ZOO-Discuss] any interest in a wps bakeoff?

Mon Jan 31 05:49:57 PST 2011

On 01/31/2011 01:19 PM, Gérald Fenoy wrote:
> Hi Jody,
> I think the meeting sounds really interesting and I thank you Edzer for sharing this information with us.

Great, that was the idea - don't bake off in isolation.

> Jody, maybe we can use the osgeo wiki for sharing our ideas, describe tests which can be run, urls to use to run tests, results of the tests and stuff like that ?
> 
> IMHO it is a good option.
> 
> We can also use the WIki setup by OGC but I'm unable to access it today.

As this is about an open standard, as opposed to (a particular selection
of) open source, OGC would be the platform of choice, IMHO.

> Hope to hear from you,
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> Le 31 janv. 2011 à 02:33, Jody Garnett a écrit :
> 
>> Not quite sure what is being suggested; the workshop sounds positive and all - but we are children of the internet age; and if we are going to collaborate across projects we will do better to set up on the internet and gather interested parties.
>>
>> Meeting in a single location; especially one on the other side of the world; put me out of the picture for example.
>>
>> Jody
>>
>> On 31/01/2011, at 8:26 AM, Edzer Pebesma wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all, the workshop below might be relevant in this respect.
>>>
>>> *Workshop on Testbed Research: Testing Geospatial Web Services /
>>> Persistent Testbed (PTB) at AGILE 2011*
>>>
>>> Call for Presentations (Deadline 1st March 2011)
>>>
>>> The workshop is held to improve interoperability of open-source and
>>> proprietary Geo Web Service software components. Therefore it is
>>> important to outline the present state of the art of technical and to
>>> identify scientific issues related to the field of Geo Web Services.
>>> Further goals are the development of testing strategies/procedures and
>>> the support of geospatial research in major EU programs and education.
>>>
>>> The full day workshop will be held in context of the 14th AGILE
>>> International Conference on Geographic Information Science in Utrecht,
>>> The Netherlands, on 18th April 2011. As the AGILE/EuroSDR/OGC Persistent
>>> SDI Testbed for Research and Teaching in Europe (PTB,
>>> http://sdi-testbed.eu) is co-organizing the workshop, it will be shown
>>> how different Testbed Collaboration could mutually benefit, how to
>>> develop synergies and how to improve the sustainability of running
>>> demonstrators for further work or research. Future strategies for
>>> testing Geo Web Services will also be developed and discussed.
>>>
>>> *Workshop topics:*
>>>
>>> •	Scientific questions in the field of Geo Web Services
>>> •	Geo Web Service Software tests
>>> •	Different testing methods and testing strategies with a special focus
>>> on interoperability, compliance and performance
>>> •	Different testbeds and testing activities (including PTB)
>>> •	Former activities and demonstrators (including reports from current
>>> Phase 2 of the PTB) as well as testbeds related to INSPIRE, GMES etc.
>>> •	Concerning technologies for developing testing facilities
>>>
>>> The workshop consists of invited talks and presentations selected from
>>> this call as well as of panel discussions about future testing
>>> strategies and testbed development (including discussions about
>>> strategies and testbed advances of the PTB). Please submit a short
>>> abstract of your presentation (max 300 words) before 1st March. Based on
>>> this abstracts the presentations will be selected through the organizing
>>> committee. Presentations will be between 20 and 30 minutes (including
>>> discussions). The deadline for the notification of acceptance is the
>>> 15th March 2011.
>>>
>>> All presentations and abstracts will be published on the PTB website
>>> (http://sdi-testbed.eu).
>>>
>>> The Call can also be downloaded at:
>>> http://sdi-testbed.eu/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=10&Itemid=8
>>> More information about the AGILE annual conference can be found at:
>>> http://www.uu.nl/geo/agile2011
>>>
>>> Please send the abstract of the presentation to stephan.schmid at unibw.de
>>> before *1st March 2011*.
>>>
>>> We are looking forward to hear from you.
>>>
>>> Stephan Schmid (AGIS Research Group Geoinformatics, University of the
>>> Bundeswehr, Munich, Germany. Email: stephan.schmid at unibw.de)
>>> Johannes Brauner (PTB) (Geoinformation Systems, Technische Universität
>>> Dresden, Germany. Email: johannes.brauner at tu-dresden.de)
>>> Bastian Schäffer (52°North Initiative for Geospatial Open Source
>>> Software GmbH, Münster, Germany. Email: b.schaeffer at 52north.org)
>>>
>>> The workshop is further supported by the three organizations represented
>>> in the PTB: AGILE (Lars Bernard), EuroSDR (Mike Jackson) and the OGC
>>> (Chris Higgins).
>>>
>>>
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>>> On 01/30/2011 02:18 PM, Gérald Fenoy wrote:
>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>> in ZOO-Project we see services (which are using various OSGeo libraries) as animals. Animals are fed by ZOO-Kernel and all their output (dirty :] ) are then managed back :)
>>>>
>>>> I think it is a really good idea to get the WPS-Backoff done this year. Indeed, I'm pretty sure it will imply better WPS solutions if the effort is well managed. I mean if each projects are well informed that this will occurs and are asked to contribute back to the effort. I also think this can a great help for each WPS projects that can get benefit if feedbacks are well returned back to each projects individually. Maybe some bugs can be found this way.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I think that a good thing which can be made to make the effort efficient can be to ask for team in each WPS Server development team to provide URLs of usable WPS Server for testing. 
>>>>
>>>> Another point I thought about is the WPS-GRASS-Bridge which is supported by both 52°North, PyWPS and ZOO-Project. Unfortunately I'm unsure of the status for deegree and GeoServer WPS implementations as I didn't see mention of them in the WPS-GRASS-Bridge [1] made by Soeren Gebbert (in fact, strangely checking twice when writting this email I noticed that 52°n disappear, maybe the code moved somewhere else). Maybe it can really useful in the effort of comparing solutions as those three are providing same services based on the same libraries back-end.
>>>>
>>>> Some troubles can occurs to compare the supported languages, indeed AFAIK PyWPS is supporting only Python and 52°n is supporting Java and Python (as GeoServer implementation). So how to compare supported languages ? Honestly I don't get any answer.
>>>>
>>>> I think also that it can be a good point to get some comparison on how to develop and then deploy services. I think it is a key point, indeed I think it is great to compare existing services and how they work / run but I think it can be also great to compare time required to develop and deploy new services. This can be a hard and long task to organize such a comparison. Indeed I think that somebody out of the ZOO-Project community should be involved to provide information on how to develop and deploy new services to get "real" feedbacks.
>>>>
>>>> I also think that comparison between project should also imply full testing of WPS capabilities. I mean, does each projects support WSDL/SOAP or not (I know that ZOO-Project is not supporting yet but will really soon ! :D ), can we well use both GET and POST request from XML request sent to the server (using Header and Body or BodyReference if my memory is correct). Maybe some XML validation can be done also about the answer returned back to the client.
>>>>
>>>> I am volonteer for participating in this effort and help as much as I can to make this happening.
>>>>
>>>> Here was my the first ideas I got in mind,
>>>> To be continued,
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/wps-grass-bridge
>>>>
>>>> Le 30 janv. 2011 à 13:39, Jody Garnett a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Evening zoo - or is that evening animals? or zoo keepers ... so hard to choose. Perhaps the developers are the keepers and the user community is the animals?
>>>>>
>>>>> With respect to the message title; the idea of a wps-bakeoff" would be similar in spirit to the wms shoot out; but I would be content if a wps service just turns over at all. Collecting performance numbers would be a bonus.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea was ventured at last years foss4g; and nothing much has come of it. I figured I would approach the email list here to see if it was a good idea; and if I should bother to pursue it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody
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>>>> Gérald Fenoy
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>>>>
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> Gérald Fenoy
> gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr
> 
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Edzer Pebesma
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