[FOSS4G-Oceania] Next FOSS4G-Oceania location?
Cameron Shorter
cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Mon Nov 5 14:50:44 PST 2018
Sorry, I forgot to reply to Alex.
Yes Alex, we should certainly put out a survey, post conference,
especially for questions that are easy to answer such as "quality of
catering". However, my main message is that difficult decisions, like
analysing the feasibility of particular conference venue proposals are
not suited for casual tickbox surveys, but rather require deeper
analysis (as we have been applying within this committee).
+1 to Adam's suggestion of backing a letter of intent.
On 6/11/18 9:08 am, adam steer wrote:
> Hi all
>
> With two weeks to go - I’ll suggest we take a data-informed approach
> rather than a data-driven approach.
>
> We also need feedback - and we should collect some and use it.
> However, I don’t think we should wait until we get survey data back
> before making a decision and committing to doing *something* next
> year, and if anyone has the energy to push in a letter of intent now,
> I reckon that’s decent evidence that there’s sufficient momentum.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 20:20, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com
> <mailto:alexgleith at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> We do need feedback on what we did well vs what we could improve.
> Feedback on venue, catering, presentations, keynotes ... etc. is
> very important.
>
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 19:48 Cameron Shorter
> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm luke-warm re putting too much emphasis on surveys.
>
> Will the community feel like they are adding significant value
> to our decision making based on the effort they need to
> commit? If not, we are at risk of being a burden to the
> community rather than empowering them, and you will likely end
> up with a low voter turn out rate. (I was disappointed by the
> level of post conference engagement I got from attendees after
> foss4g 2009 compared to pre-conference engagement).
>
> Making a good decision about a conference venue requires a
> reasonable time commitment to consider a large number of
> factors. Ideally you only burden a few trustworthy people to
> take on the role (such as our conference committee).
>
> I said something similar on the international foss4g
> conference committee email list a while back:
>
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2018-October/004976.html
>
>
> On 2/11/18 6:55 pm, Alex Leith wrote:
>> Great idea, David. We should set up a survey to go out in the
>> week following the conference, for sure. Evaluation is key.
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 18:27 David Dean <ddean at ieee.org
>> <mailto:ddean at ieee.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Further to Andrew's point and the other discussions here:
>>
>> We should put this question to the conference attendees
>> (announce it at the opening, and give a report on answers
>> so far at the closing)
>>
>> 1. Should we do a conference next year?
>> 2. Where should we do it?
>> 3. Should we keep FOSS4G and SoTM together?
>> 4. Should we come up with a better name?
>> 5. Whatever else comes to mind.
>>
>> By harvesting names and emails from Q2 in particular we
>> might be able to get some good people who are interested
>> in having (and maybe even hosting) the next event in
>> their area.
>>
>> - David
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 18:21 Andrew Harvey
>> <andrew at alantgeo.com.au <mailto:andrew at alantgeo.com.au>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tangential to this, I think after the conference we
>> should evaluate how well being a joint FOSS4G SotM
>> has worked out as opposed to standalone events.
>>
>> I assume there are some attendees only interested in
>> FOSS4G, others only interested in SotM and others
>> interested in both.
>>
>> Our sponsors, program, community day (and hopefully
>> attendees) are representative of both camps so I
>> think the committee has done a great job balancing
>> this, but if we are going to put out a post
>> conference survey hopefully we could try to find out
>> from attendees how well they thought the joint nature
>> of the conference worked.
>>
>> It's a huge effort to organise a conference though
>> and given the two overlap there's a big incentive to
>> continue this way.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, at 5:50 PM, David Dean wrote:
>>> +1 and it would be great to see the next conference
>>> in NZ or the Pacific islands, and try to keep
>>> Australia to every second year.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Fri., 2 Nov. 2018, 17:14 Alex Leith,
>>> <alexgleith at gmail.com <mailto:alexgleith at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 from me
>>>
>>> And I’m keen to have some role on the next
>>> committee for sure 🙂
>>>
>>> Let’s see those proposals!
>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 2:37 pm, adam steer
>>> <adam.d.steer at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:adam.d.steer at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> +1 to Cameron's suggestions.
>>>
>>> ...and also pre-volunteering to join an
>>> organising committee if they're happy to
>>> have me :)
>>>
>>> Only one request: please keep letters of
>>> intent absolutely on point, the committee
>>> are flat out!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Fri., 2 Nov. 2018, 14:18 Cameron Shorter
>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And here are my thoughts:
>>>
>>> +1 for running FOSS4G-Oceania in 2019
>>>
>>> I think there are two core factors which
>>> are setting up FOSS4G Oceania to be
>>> successful this year:
>>> 1. The University of Melbourne has
>>> provided a free venue, which has
>>> significantly minimised attendance costs.
>>> 2. We have had a large, very engaged
>>> organising committee, led by a very
>>> active chair (thanks John).
>>>
>>> In selecting a future venue, I'd be
>>> hopeful that these two criteria are
>>> considered.
>>>
>>> With regards to who should decide:
>>> * We haven't defined a decision making
>>> process or decided decision makers for
>>> selecting future event venues.
>>> * But, I've seen our existing FOSS4G
>>> committee to be committed, ethical, and
>>> competent. I'd suggest selecting our
>>> next venue should be delegated to this
>>> committee, and we can refine the process
>>> for future years.
>>>
>>> I'd suggest that people wishing to
>>> propose a venue for foss4g 2019 discuss
>>> their ideas on this email list, paying
>>> particular attention to the two points
>>> above.
>>>
>>> I'd think an initial proposal should be
>>> of similar depth to the international
>>> FOSS4G "Letter of Intent" stage, with
>>> the FOSS4G international list of
>>> questions being used as a something to
>>> consider.
>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2019_Bid_Process#Letters_of_Intent
>>>
>>> /“Letters of Intent" are limited to a
>>> maximum of two (2) pages, and should
>>> answer the following questions://
>>> //1. Who is your conference chair?//
>>> //2. Who else is on your local
>>> organizing committee (LOC)?//
>>> //3. What is the experience of your
>>> committee members with similar events?//
>>> //4. What is your proposed venue?
>>> (include access to Internet, room sizes,
>>> maximum attendees)//
>>> //5. What are your provisional dates for
>>> the conference?//
>>> //6. Early thoughts on prices of
>>> conference attendance? (indicative
>>> estimates)//
>>> //7. What is the price range and general
>>> location of your proposed accommodations
>>> and how is the//
>>> //price-level in your area in general
>>> (e.g. costs for food, drinks)//
>>> //8. Are you partnering with other local
>>> organizations?//
>>> //9. What makes FOSS4G in your proposed
>>> location and with your team compelling?/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/11/18 2:14 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>> Our FOSS4G-Oceania conference is
>>>> shaping up to be much bigger than
>>>> originally planned. We have attracted
>>>> significantly more sponsors, attendees,
>>>> and committee members than originally
>>>> anticipated.
>>>>
>>>> So the question raised at today's
>>>> committee meeting is:
>>>>
>>>> * Should we hold this event again next
>>>> year?
>>>>
>>>> * If so, where should we hold it?
>>>>
>>>> * And how should we go about deciding?"
>>>>
>>>> It would be a bonus if we could
>>>> announce next years FOSS4G-Oceania
>>>> event as we close this year, which
>>>> doesn't leave much time. Within this
>>>> email thread I suggest we discuss these
>>>> and related questions.
>>>>
>>>
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