[OSGeo-Conf] Vote stage 1 on RfP 2020 before 19th of October
Till Adams
till.adams at fossgis.de
Fri Oct 26 00:21:55 PDT 2018
@Maxi,
I see another quite important point regarding the restricted votes:
I regard the voting members of CC as independent, as they already ran a
conference, there should be no personal things that influence them in
their vote.
Also, I can second Camerons opinion from my experience (having run one
FOSS4G and several regional F4G-events): Yes, there is a *big*
difference and for a global conference there are really many things to
consder.
Thanks to Cameron for the perfect summary,
Till
Am 23.10.2018 um 21:48 schrieb Cameron Shorter:
>
> Maxi,
>
> I feel like the questions below have been covered in detail in prior
> debates on this list, and in responding I'm just restating opinions
> made before.
>
> I'm responding now to acknowledge that I've heard you, and while I
> respect the importance of being able to share one's views, I feel we
> don't want to spend all our time debating one topic and not moving
> onto more productive things.
>
> Summarising prior points on this topic:
>
> * The large conferences are financially risky for OSGeo and have
> failed in the past (FOSS4G Beijing was cancelled)
>
> * Large conferences have many factors to consider in order to become
> successful
>
> * They require significant work from the local organising committee
>
> * OSGeo should aim to use trustworthy people, with both the experience
> and time commitment, to make decisions about selection of a conference
> venue. Typically such people have already spent time running a large
> conference.
>
> * To your point of presentation selection, selecting presentations is
> less risky and drawing upon the wisdom of crowds is a more effective
> way of getting a depth of opinion from our community. Hence, for the
> last decade or so, we have adopted what I consider to be an effective
> community voting process for presentations.
>
> Maxi, I acknowledge that my response probably doesn't align with your
> opinions. But I'm hoping that we can agree to disagree, and in this
> case defer to the majority opinion from our current conference committee.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
> On 22/10/18 5:31 am, massimiliano cannata wrote:
>> Dear Conference committee,
>> after the selection, I pose here some issues I see in the conference
>> committee and process.
>> I hope to open a constructive discussion toward an always better FOSS4G.
>>
>> First, I don't understand why the selection of the FOSS4G hosting
>> team is restricted to "selected" members only.
>> Conversely, the selection of the presentations is open to everyone.
>> Why to select a team it is required, "generally", to be considered an
>> expert in organizing big events (what is big and what event is still
>> to be defined well..) while for selecting which topics are
>> interesting and innovative this expertise is not required and anyone
>> con vote?
>>
>> I also add that I think is very inappropriate to accept presentation
>> with "literally" an abstract of two sentences to participate in the
>> conference? The votes are then obviously based on "brotherhood" and
>> not on specific contents. For example, why "sponsored" presentations
>> are not marked as sponsored? Google does it when you do your searches ;-)
>>
>> Finally, I wonder at how many "big" events the voting members
>> participate every year. Do they go around to see what other do, or is
>> enough organizing a conference 10 years ago to be considered at the
>> state of the art in conference matters?
>>
>> my 5 cents
>>
>> Best,
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno lun 15 ott 2018 alle ore 23:57 Cameron Shorter
>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> OSGeo Conference committee,
>> I'm forwarding this email onto the conference committee's public
>> list to ensure transparency. It was sent to the following voting
>> members of the conference committee:
>> Eli Adam
>> Till Adams
>> Peter Batty
>> David Bitner
>> Maria Brovelli
>> Vasile Craciunescu
>> David Fawcett
>> Steven Feldman
>> Gavin Fleming
>> Darrell Fuhriman
>> Claude Philipona
>> Venkatesh Raghavan
>> Paul Ramsey
>> Sanghee Shin
>> Guido Stein
>> Michael Terner
>> Msilikale Msilanga
>> Mark Iliffle
>>
>> If you have not received this email, and think that you should,
>> please publicly speak up before the deadline.
>> I've been responding to people as they send their votes in. If
>> you don't receive a response, then feel free to chase me.
>> So far, we've received votes from:
>> Eli Adam
>> Maria Brovelli
>> Steven Feldman
>> Gavin Fleming
>> Venkatesh Raghavan
>> Paul Ramsey
>> Guido Stein
>> Michael Terner
>> Mark Iliffle
>>
>> Cheers, Cameron (acting as one of the FOSS4G 2020 CROs)
>>
>>
>> On 13/10/2018 1:32 AM, Till Adams wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Voting Members of OSGeo's Conference Committee,
>>>
>>> I know, it's still some time left today, but as I am on my way
>>> back from Barcelona home tomorow, I herewith send out the call
>>> on voting on the three phantastic LoI's for hosting FOSS4G 2020,
>>> that we received. Due to our timetable in [1] the voting period
>>> on the LoI's lasts from 13th to 18th of October (last possible
>>> time).
>>>
>>> So please send your votes to:
>>>
>>> Arnulf Christl
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> Cameron Shorter
>>>
>>> The voting mechanism for stage 1 is as follows: Please vote on
>>> *every single* LoI with one thumb up / thumb down each and send
>>> your *three* votes to the two guys mentioned above - no of the
>>> mails to me, neither CC, nor BCC.
>>>
>>> Your Email can look as follows:
>>>
>>> Halifax +1
>>>
>>> Calgary +1
>>>
>>> Niagara Falls +1
>>>
>>> (Of course only in case, that you vote *thumbs up* for all tree
>>> ;-). BTW: A vote against can be a "-1" and this is not
>>> comparable with the "-1" we know from OSgeo discussions, because
>>> here it does not require any reason and/or alternative, it just
>>> means "thumb down".... )
>>>
>>> Please find all relevant information on the WIKI [1]. The teams
>>> that receive more +1's than -1's LoI's will pass stage 1.
>>>
>>> I hope, that ALL of us will send their voting emails to Arnulf
>>> and Cameron before the last possibe time on 18th of October 2018
>>> passed - as said, we need a strong quorum, especially when there
>>> are three teams from one country bidding for the same conference.
>>>
>>> Regards, Till
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2020_Bid_Process
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 07.10.2018 um 08:36 schrieb Till Adams:
>>>> Dear Voting members of OSGeo's conference committee!
>>>>
>>>> This is just a reminder to be prepared to vote on the LoI's on the RfP 2020.
>>>>
>>>> Please take your time to review the LoI's [1], aks qwuestions on the
>>>> conference committee list until 12th of October and then please vote
>>>> until 18th of October. I just asked two potential CRO's to assist us for
>>>> the voting process, I will send their email-adresses in a seperate email
>>>> once they agreed.
>>>>
>>>> Please remember that choosing the location of future FOSS4G's is your
>>>> only duty in the conference committee and remember that it is important
>>>> to have the opinion of as many of you as possible so that we can choose
>>>> the best location for FOSS4G 2020.
>>>>
>>>> If you now already know, that you will not be able to rate & vote,
>>>> please drop me a note ASAP. After the RfP I will ask the members, that
>>>> did not vote, whether they want to remain as voting members or not.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Till
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2020_Bid_Process
>>>>
>>>
>>
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