[MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning

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+1

Jérome Boué.

Le 05/01/2024 à 11:57, Seth G via MapServer-dev a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> I've updated the budget to include the amount requested in 2021 for 
> release management ($1,500), so we can vote on a final budget and 
> present it to the board. The total amount requested is $4,500.
> It would be good to vote on this in the next few days as the deadline 
> for submitting workshops for FOSS4G Europe in the 14th of January so 
> I'd need to create an outline.
> I've a few extra items we can add to a sponsorhip wiki page and maybe 
> circulate on the mapserver-users list to see if we can generate 
> additional development funds.
>
> I'll start with my +1.
>
> Seth
>
>
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>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, at 12:10 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
>>
>> Mid-Late Jan or so. We haven’t scheduled the budget meeting yet.
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:46 PM
>> *To: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>
>> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Michael Smith 
>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>, MapServer Devs 
>> <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>
>>
>> Anyone know that deadline?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 10:05 AM Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     I don't have any additions.
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 3:48 AM Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         Hi all,
>>
>>
>>         It seems many projects have submitted their budget requests
>>         for next year to OSGeo - I presume there is an end-of-year
>>         deadline to be met?
>>
>>
>>         I've added in items from this thread to
>>         https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
>>
>>         Jeff has discussed the 8.2 release for January, so I've added
>>         in the release manager role. I guess the requested amount
>>         depends upon if there are also plans for additional patch
>>         releases in 2024 and MapCache releases.
>>
>>         Once this value is finalised it would be good to take a vote
>>         and submit to OSGeo in the next few days. Alternatively we
>>         can just go with the 2021 value and vote now. If there are
>>         any other items to add please edit the page.
>>
>>
>>         I'll also look at creating a page of other ideas for
>>         MapServer for sponsorship opportunities, similar to the
>>         GeoTools one at
>>         https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities
>>
>>
>>         Seth
>>
>>
>>         --
>>
>>         web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
>>
>>         twitter: @geographika
>>
>>
>>         On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Even Rouault wrote:
>>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>             I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for
>>             MapServer is so low. Yes, the specificity of the Travis
>>             CI checks is to test 2 versions of PHP, but I suspect
>>             this could be migrated to GHA if needed (e.g perhaps
>>             using https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php). For
>>             AddressSanitizer, this would be trivial to port to GHA.
>>
>>             (GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic
>>             architectures, in particular ARM64, which aren't
>>             available on GHA. But GDAL only uses the OSGeo provided
>>             budget for that, so that's OK for it)
>>
>>             Even
>>
>>             Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit :
>>
>>                 It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on
>>                 Travis, completely switching to GitHub Actions would
>>                 be another item it would be good to add to the
>>                 MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC vote.
>>
>>                 There were some previous discussions about this in
>>                 2020 [1]. Since then GHA seems to have advanced
>>                 whilst Travis has stagnated. In addition MapCache
>>                 switched away from Travis [2]. I see GDAL still uses
>>                 Travis so maybe there are some advantages I'm not
>>                 aware of.
>>
>>                 As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer
>>                 run and PHP builds that Travis includes that aren't
>>                 already in GHA [2].
>>
>>
>>                 Seth
>>
>>
>>                 [1]
>>                 https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html
>>
>>                 [2] https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274
>>
>>                 [3]
>>                 https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml
>>
>>
>>
>>                 On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
>>
>>                     For 2023, some of the funds were used for the
>>                     Travis subscription for mapserver which is
>>                     $828/yr (69/mo). So $172 would be available for
>>                     the rest of the year. The PayPal donation would
>>                     carry over. Project funds do not.
>>
>>
>>                     Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>                     --
>>
>>                     Michael Smith
>>
>>                     OSGeo Treasurer
>>
>>                     treasurer at osgeo.org
>>
>>
>>
>>                     *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
>>                     <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com>
>>                     *Date: *Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM
>>                     *To: *Michael Smith
>>                     <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>                     <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>                     *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
>>                     <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Seth G
>>                     <sethg at geographika.co.uk>
>>                     <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs
>>                     <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>>                     <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>>                     *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>
>>
>>                     Is there any chance of accessing the FY23 $'s?
>>                     Problem is that we don't have a project bank account.
>>
>>
>>                     There was also a $1,310 donation via PayPal in
>>                     March 2022 that looks to have come in via OSGeo
>>                     via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for
>>                     MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that
>>                     email if you'd like.
>>
>>
>>                     --Steve
>>
>>
>>                     On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael Smith
>>                     <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                         Proposed default for FY24 per project is
>>                         $1000 USD. Yes you can request more than that
>>                         but there should be a plan for the additional
>>                         amounts voted by PSC.
>>
>>
>>                         Funds from donation are 295.45 (looks like it
>>                         was mostly in 2021 and a bit in 2022).
>>
>>
>>                         Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>                         -
>>
>>                         Michael Smith
>>
>>                         OSGeo Treasurer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                         *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
>>                         *Date: *Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM
>>                         *To: *Even Rouault
>>                         <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Michael Smith
>>                         <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>                         *Cc: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>,
>>                         MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>>                         *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget
>>                         planning
>>
>>
>>                          Great ideas, I'd support both of them. The
>>                         question becomes how much to allocate in each
>>                         instance. I guess some basic questions I'd
>>                         have (and maybe Mike knows) are:
>>
>>                          1. What's that standard per project budget
>>                             allocation from OSGeo? I thought it was
>>                             something like $1,500 but I'm not sure.
>>                          2. Is there any chance of getting $'s beyond
>>                             that? The 2020 budget referenced earlier
>>                             in the thread was submitted to the board
>>                             but it was pretty clear there was no
>>                             opportunity to secure funding beyond that
>>                             base amount.
>>                          3. We have some $'s that have been donated
>>                             via Paypal. I don't know the amount but
>>                             there should be at least $1,000 available
>>                             and that could be considered as another
>>                             means of paying for this work. Again,
>>                             Mike do you know what the MapServer
>>                             balance is via the donate button?
>>                          4. We are still in 2023 - can we allocate
>>                             this years' standard budget allocation to
>>                             this work or otherwise roll it over? I'd
>>                             like to know what our options are. We've
>>                             not done a good job of taking advantage
>>                             of the OSGeo funds available, even if
>>                             they are somewhat limited.
>>
>>                         Seth, what level of support do you think
>>                         you'd need?
>>
>>
>>                         --Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>                         On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault
>>                         via MapServer-dev
>>                         <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>                             Hi Seth,
>>
>>
>>                             thanks for putting that together. The 2
>>                             topics (workshop and CITE tests)
>>
>>                             look like excellent topics to be budgeted.
>>
>>
>>                             Even
>>
>>
>>                             Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via
>>                             MapServer-dev a écrit :
>>
>>                             > Hi all,
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > I've created a draft page for the
>>                             budget at
>>                             https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > I've also created two wiki pages for
>>                             two items I'd like to work on next year,
>>                             and to request some funds to help set
>>                             aside time to work on them. Both were
>>                             discussed with other members of the PSC
>>                             at the recent OSGeo Community Sprint:
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > A new MapServer Workshop, see details
>>                             at
>>                             https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024
>>
>>                             > This would target FOSS4G Europe next
>>                             year. The deadline for submission is
>>                             January 14th 2024 so it would be good to
>>                             sort out a budget as soon as possible to
>>                             be able to submit. Workshops are 4 hours
>>                             in length.
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > Automating and refreshing the MapServer
>>                             OGC CITE tests - see
>>                             https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > Let me know your thoughts on the above,
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > Seth
>>
>>                             > --
>>
>>                             > web:https://geographika.net &
>>                             https://mapserverstudio.net
>>
>>                             > twitter: @geographika
>>
>>                             >
>>
>>                             > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth G
>>                             wrote:
>>
>>                             >> Hi all,
>>
>>                             >>
>>
>>                             >> A wiki page sounds a good start.
>>                             Increased test coverage and OGC Maps
>>
>>                             >> support would be two items I'd like to
>>                             propose.
>>
>>                             >> We could also maybe use a GitHub
>>                             Discussions poll to allow users to
>>
>>                             >> vote on some open issues to look at
>>                             fixing?
>>
>>                             >>
>>
>>                             >> I think any unused funds for the year
>>                             remain with OSGeo and can't be
>>
>>                             >> used for future years. Is it an option
>>                             to get a 2023 budget approved to
>>
>>                             >> avoid losing these funds for this year?
>>
>>                             >> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in
>>                             Vienna next week, and 5 of the PSC
>>
>>                             >> members will be there so we could
>>                             arrange a PSC meeting and sign things
>>
>>                             >> off quite quickly.
>>
>>                             >>
>>
>>                             >> Seth
>>
>>                             >>
>>
>>                             >> --
>>
>>                             >> web:https://geographika.net &
>>                             https://mapserverstudio.net
>>
>>                             >> twitter: @geographika
>>
>>                             >>
>>
>>                             >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM,
>>                             Lime, Steve D (MNIT) via MapServer-dev wrote:
>>
>>                             >>> This is a good idea and something
>>                             that we haven't done in some time.
>>
>>                             >>> There was a 2020 budget outline
>>
>>                             >>>
>>                             (https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget)
>>                             that
>>
>>                             >>> was put together as an ask from the
>>                             board. If I recall correctly, they
>>
>>                             >>> basically only allocated the normal
>>                             per project amount to the project.
>>
>>                             >>> That's funding we've not taken
>>                             explicit advantage of most years
>>
>>                             >>> although I don't know what happens to
>>                             those $'s if they go unclaimed.
>>
>>                             >>> There is also a donation balance that
>>                             could/should be tapped to fund
>>
>>                             >>> activities.
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> --Steve
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>                             >>> From: MapServer-dev
>>                             <mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>                             On Behalf
>>
>>                             >>> Of Jeff McKenna via MapServer-dev
>>
>>                             >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:00 PM
>>
>>                             >>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing List'
>>                             <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>>
>>                             >>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget
>>                             planning
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> Hi MapServer community (devs, users,
>>                             packagers, promoters, all),
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> I see other projects beginning early
>>                             discussions on planning for 2024
>>
>>                             >>> budget spending.  I would like to
>>                             start a wiki page for the 2024 budget
>>
>>                             >>> for MapServer.  I am planning on
>>                             including those items
>>
>>                             >>>
>>                             never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users
>>                             such as releases,
>>
>>                             >>> packaging, testing/CI infrastructure
>>                             maintenance, and documentation, as
>>
>>                             >>> well as source code contributions (in
>>                             other words, including the full
>>
>>                             >>> dev community of MapServer in the
>>                             budget).
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> I think 2024 is a good time to create
>>                             a realistic budget for MapServer,
>>
>>                             >>> and then share that publicly with the
>>                             FOSS4G community.  I think we'd
>>
>>                             >>> be happily surprised that
>>                             organizations are willing to support the
>>
>>                             >>> sustainability of MapServer. 
>>                             Worst-case scenario is that we have a
>>
>>                             >>> publicly available realistic view of
>>                             the cost of keeping MapServer
>>
>>                             >>> reliable, secure, and fast, that we
>>                             can expand upon in future years.
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> Happy to read other thoughts here,
>>                             from everyone passionate about MapServer.
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> thanks!
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> -jeff
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>> --
>>
>>                             >>> Jeff McKenna
>>
>>                             >>> GatewayGeo: Developers of MS4W, &
>>                             offering MapServer Consulting/Dev
>>
>>                             >>> co-founder of FOSS4G
>>
>>                             >>>
>>
>>                             >>>
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