[Belgium] procedure for official creation of asbl/vzw: proposed bylaws

Wed Jul 8 00:29:09 PDT 2015

 Marc asked to Osgeo-fr about the « why they only accept individuals »
I would like to convey the answer because Marc is in full translation
sprint this week and may not have much time left.

The idea is to be able to keep a certain neutrality with respect to
companies and individuals involved. Of course this does not prevent an
individual from a company X to participate in OSGeo - fr and not being
neutral. But it helps...They want at that time strongly keep a balance
between the different "groups" (user, researcher and trading company ),
each having their own interest but also a common interest in life and
dynamics of the open source geomatics community.

Kinds Regards,
Maë//e

N.B: For your information, below the complete answer in French.

*"bonjour,L'idée de départ était de pouvoir garder une certaine neutralité
vis à vis dessociétés et d'impliquer les personnes physiques.Bien sur cela
n'empêche pas une personne physique d'une société X departiciper à
l'OSGeo-fr et de ne pas être neutre. Mais cela permet d'avoir uncertain
garde fou.Avec le recul on voit que ce sont les sociétés commerciales qui
ont le plusd'intérêt et de volonté de s'impliquer dans ce genre de
communauté. Peut êtrecar elles sont plus d'expériences en la matière du
fait de leur implicationdans des projets open source.Nous souhaitions à
l'époque vivement garder un équilibre entre les différents"groupes"
(utilisateur, recherche et société commerciale), chacun ayant leurintérêt
propre mais également un intérêt commun dans la vie et la dynamiqued'une
communauté open source en géomatique.Aucune solution ne sera convenable et
sera dans tous les cas un subtilsmélanges du contexte, du risque de
déséquilibre réel ou ressenti.Dans tous les cas, il faut une certaine
neutralité et des forces vivesdynamiques :)Yves Jacolin"*

2015-07-07 19:49 GMT+02:00 Johan Van de Wauw <johan.vandewauw at gmail.com>:

> Some comments on the proposal:
>
> This are our statutes, which are hard to change. You mostly need them
> when things go bad, so when reading them this is what you should keep
> in mind.
>
> Note that I found it difficult reading this in French, so I may miss
> some things.
> I would make it easier for the board to remove "adherent members",
> especially since it is very easy to become one. I'd suggest that the
> board can reject or remove them, and that once rejected/removed they
> can be only be added by a general assembly if proposed by one of the
> effective members and after a vote.
>
> Eg spam registrations, errors, ... can be handled this way. I don't
> think the board will go light on removing a member if there is a good
> reason.
>
> But perhaps it is even better to leave all of this for the " règlement
> d'ordre intérieur , since adherent members don't have any official
> rights.
>
> Thinking about whether companies can be members: I think we should
> rather think about having a sponsored membership for these members.
> But again, I'm not sure we should do this in the statutes - those are
> hard to change.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Johan
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>
> wrote:
> > Moritz,
> >
> >> - Where should we localize the association ?
> > If you live in Brussels, then your home address is a good option.
> > I still wait for an alternative, as I asked Gael offline if there is a
> > possibility we use the address of IBGE as the main seat.
> >
> > I suggest to also accept moral persons. At the Flemish association for
> > GIS (Flagis)[1] where I am the secratary, we have sponsor members,
> > 'moral persons' members and physical person members. 3 different member
> > fees: 750/Year, 250/Year, 20 /Year).
> >
> > For OSGeo, I am still in favor to provide *free* membership, as there is
> > a discussion on the [discuss] mailing list [2]. They even pointed to our
> > initiative for the problem of membership fees:
> >
> > "
> > Regarding changing from an open OSGeo membership (nothing at the
> > moment), to charging a membership fee, I am in fact for continuing as an
> > open/free organization.  I do however see some issues with our old
> > bylaws, and Arnulf mentioned our USA-based status, and there has been
> > recent talk again of a registered satellite organization such as through
> > an OSGeo Europe.  (this will likely be discussed more in Como)
> > "
> >
> > So I agree to mimic the rules that apply for OSGeo.
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.linkedin.com/pub/flagis-vzw/85/517/32b
> > [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-July/014419.html
> >
> >
> > On 02-07-15 13:35, Moritz Lennert wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Here is a revised version of the "statuts", allowing for two types of
> >> members and integrating some of the other comments.
> >>
> >> To be discussed (cf comments in the text):
> >>
> >> - Who wants to be founding member ?
> >> - Who wants to be part of the board ?
> >> - Where should we localize the association ? I offer my home address if
> >> there is no other solution.
> >>
> >> - Should "effective" (i.e. charter) members have to pay an annual
> >> contribution ?
> >> - Should members be physical persons or can moral persons (associations,
> >> companies, etc) be members ?
> >> - How should non charer members (i.e. "members adérents") become
> >> members: I propose to mimick OSGeo central and allow registration via
> >> the web site.
> >>
> >> Moritz
> >>
> >> On 22/06/15 12:07, Tommy Oozeer wrote:
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I have also added my comments in the doc.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>>
> >>> Tommy
> >>>
> >>> -----Message d'origine-----
> >>> De : belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> [mailto:belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] De la part de Dirk Frigne
> >>> Envoyé : lundi 22 juin 2015 09:53
> >>> À : belgium at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> Cc : managementsupport at geosparc.com
> >>> Objet : Re: [Belgium] procedure for official creation of asbl/vzw:
> >>> proposed bylaws
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> My2c comments in the document.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dirk
> >>>
> >>> On 21-06-15 18:30, Moritz Lennert wrote:
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Please find attached a first draft of the bylaws of the asbl/vzw. I've
> >>>> used a model from [1] to draft this. They are in French as this was
> >>>> easier for me than in Dutch. I don't think we could elaborate them in
> >>>> English.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please read through them. I've highlighted several parts and included
> >>>> some questions. Please react.
> >>>>
> >>>> In order to officially constitute the organisation, we have to
> >>>>
> >>>> - file these bylaws and the register of members at the "greffe du
> >>>> tribunal de commerce"
> >>>> - publish the bylaws and the list of board members in the "Moniteur"
> >>>>
> >>>> The costs for this procedure are 181,50€.
> >>>>
> >>>> We should probably have a legal expert read the bylaws before we file
> >>>> them, just to make sure we respect all aspects of the law and won't
> >>>> have to modify them soon (which would mean additional costs). I can
> >>>> see if I can convince some of my contacts to do this, but if you have
> >>>> competent people around you, please tell me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another good source of information on asbl (in French) is [2].
> >>>>
> >>>> Moritz
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://www.laboiteasbl.be/
> >>>> [2] http://www.assoc.be/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Yours sincerely,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ir. Dirk Frigne
> >>> CEO
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > --
> > Yours sincerely,
> >
> >
> > ir. Dirk Frigne
> > CEO
> >
> > Geosparc n.v.
> > Brugsesteenweg 587
> > B-9030 Ghent
> > Tel: +32 9 236 60 18
> > GSM: +32 495 508 799
> >
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> > http://www.geosparc.com
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