[Board] conference naming?

Mon Feb 5 11:36:39 PST 2007

Arnulf,

I said:

"in my view, it's preaching to the converted"

You then said,

"I wonder whether this is true. "

But before you said:

"Additionally it bothers me that I must sound like a cracked record
because you know all of this and it is day to day business to you. :-)"

Which is why I said it's preaching to the converted to call it Free and
Open Source. 

We know all of this == preaching to the converted.

Anyway, it's too late, so c'est la vie.

Gary

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[mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Arnulf Christl
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:45 AM
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Gary Lang wrote:
> Arnulf,
> 

I wonder whether this is true. 

I need to make sure that I don't end up in the ideology corner but you
would be surprised how many times I feel the itch to say something for
example with respect to "commercial vs. Open Source". I still have to
read people say that Open Source is done to more then 60% by crazy
volunteers and only a fraction is paid for what they are doing. I want
to actively change that because people should be paid for what they like
to do. We had this one before...

> promoting OSGeo and its accomplishments is a bit more work and has its

> own payoff (i.e. why should I sponsor this? Oh yeah, they sponsor the 
> conference).

Currently in our budget there are two items "OSGeo" and "FOSS4G" and on
top we sponsor "FOSSGIS" (the German branch product). 

OK, we can call this an "OSGeo Branch" instead of a "Local Chapter". 

> Thus, had I been asked, I would have said this and voted for the name 
> to be the OSGeo Conference.
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Arnulf Christl
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:59 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Board] conference naming?
> 
> Chris Holmes wrote:
>>
>> Arnulf Christl wrote:
>>> Gary Lang wrote:
>>>> I missed that. Where is the minutes of that meeting?
>>>>
>>>> Thx
>>> Start here to get the full story:
>>>
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-November/thread.
>>> html
>>>
>>> Guess what, I was part of the subversive group that tries to dilute 
>>> the OSGeo brand name and I could not refrain from having a strong 
>>> position in favor of having the term Free in the title. So if you 
>>> need to blame somebody for supporting such a stupid idea blame me.
>>> And next time join the discussion in time... ;-)
>> I wasn't even aware the discussion was happening.  Looking at those 
>> archives I see Allan recommended to send ConfCom's decision to the 
>> full membership, but I don't think that ever happened?  I personally 
>> don't have a strong stake in it, I just thought OSGeo was the 
>> sensible
> 
>> name and was curious why it was being called FOSS4G.  But as long as 
>> the ConfCom did think about it and decide that's what it should be 
>> I'm
> 
>> fine with it.  But would recommend maybe getting a slightly wider 
>> group for something as major as the name of our most public event.  I

>> will note that the ConfCom seems to have a lot of people involved in 
>> the last conference, who obviously like the FOSS4G name as they chose

>> it to be the name of their conference.
>>
>> Chris
> 
> Hi Chris,
> you are completely right in all that you say. There will be other 
> possibilities where we can practice a more public discussion and will 
> hopefully do so. I remember that we were in hurry because we did not 
> get going at all and I remember that I felt that every angle to the 
> problem was well represented.
> 
> My personal itch was that the term Free Software appear again and 
> again so that people *have* to think about it for a while. I feel this

> is important because I know so very many who practice Open Source in 
> every day life but never really understood it. So this is all about 
> educating people and I know that many will simply not care or fear 
> that it could be anti business and so on. Additionally it bothers me 
> that I must sound like a cracked record because you know all of this 
> and it is day to day business to you. :-) To many it is not and we
need to tell them.
> 
>>> Best regards, Arnulf.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:   board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org on behalf of Frank Warmerdam 
>>>> (External)
>>>> Sent:   Sun 2/4/2007 4:21 PM
>>>> To:     Chris Holmes
>>>> Cc:     board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> Subject:        Re: [Board] conference naming?
>>>>
>>>> Chris Holmes wrote:
>>>>  > This is kind of random, but weren't we going to call the next 
>>>> conference  > the OSGeo conference?  As that was the name the year 
>>>> before, and it also  > fits with our name, becomes our thing?  But 
>>>> it looks like it's become  > foss4g again - 
>>>> http://www.foss4g2007.org/.  Was that a conscious decision?
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> This was the product of a rather heated debate, followed by a vote 
>>>> by the conference committee.  So yes, it was a conscious decision.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
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