[Board] Anything for discussion here?

Sat Dec 10 04:03:20 PST 2011

If it helps the geotools project has taken steps to automatically replicate to an "official" github fork. 

This allows us to keep track of the newer generation of developers who are only going to make use of services like github; so we can at least watch them work.

The geotools developers can still do things like grab their changes; and apply them back to our osgeo svn using "git svn dcommit".

If there is interest; perhaps something could be set up for all the osgeo svn projects? You would need to talk to Justin Deolivera to sort out the technical details of how it was done.

One nice thing is that if it was done across the board we could actually have them all in the under an "OSGeo" page on github.

By the same token I am holding on to a google plus "OSGeo" page; in the hopes of being able to share it with the marketing committee. Automatically bridging new posts to Facebook, Twitter and Google Plus would be a good way to reach out to the newer generation.

Cheers,-- 
Jody Garnett

On Friday, 9 December 2011 at 8:31 PM, Jo Cook wrote:

> Hi Arnulf,
> 
> Yes, it was more the matter of how the foundation needs to evolve (if it does), as a function of age and improving access to infrastructure, rather than any direct parallels between the Apache foundation and OSGeo.  
> 
> Better to discuss these things now, and adapt if necessary, rather than suddenly finding ourselves in the position where we're seen as the slightly out of touch old dinosaur!
> 
> Jo
> 
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Seven (aka Arnulf) <seven at arnulf.us (mailto:seven at arnulf.us)> wrote:
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> > Jo,
> > thanks for bringing this up. Actually I wanted to post a similar but
> > more aggressive thread to Discuss, just to get some feedback - but I did
> > not find it anymore.
> > 
> > As Ari says this appears to be an Apache foundation issue and does not
> > apply to OSGeo as much because we have a less formal approach to what
> > our projects use for code versioning or most everything else. This is
> > due to our self-organizing principle which seems to be the best way to
> > "manage" our projects.
> > 
> > But it does raise the issue of how an old foundation can get younger
> > people interested. (Yes, we are just five years down the road and maybe
> > still consider ourselves "young" but still, in IT this can be ages.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Arnulf
> > 
> > On 08.12.2011 14:23, Ari Jolma wrote:
> > > Jo, others,
> > >
> > > I read the article as it caught my eye (*apache* harmful??). The title
> > > is misleading as it is mostly about a perceived problem in how the
> > > apache *foundation* works - which does much more than apache the web server.
> > >
> > > I think the very basic thinking behind the article is sound - there is
> > > always a new generation and it will have its own way of working. The
> > > trick is how to get it involved and work together with the old folks. I
> > > also agree that some of the technical support role that a foundation
> > > such as ours has is not so central - but the people operating it and
> > > their willingness are very crucial. I personally am very interested in
> > > Git and the advantages it can bring - but still the meritocratic
> > > principle and the benefits of having a single well-maintained source
> > > tree have not disappeared suddenly. AFAIK, Git was developed for Linux
> > > kernel development and the article is exaggerating its role as a new
> > > revolutional tool. I believe one of OSGeo's flagships (QGIS) has changed
> > > to Git and I haven't heard of anything negative - in fact I would be
> > > interested to hear more about their experience.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ari
> > >
> > > On 12/05/2011 11:07 PM, Jo Cook wrote:
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> I guess that most people caught this article a couple of weeks
> > >> ago: http://www.mikealrogers.com/posts/apache-considered-harmful.html
> > >>
> > >> It got me wondering about the way that foundations need to change with
> > >> time, and whether we should be taking on board any of it with regards
> > >> to OSGeo. Disclaimer- I'm not asking because I think we're going down
> > >> the same lines, I'm genuinely just using the article as a springboard
> > >> for discussion.
> > >>
> > >> My two pence worth- the point about lowering of barriers to entry is
> > >> an interesting one. Projects don't necessarily need someone big  to
> > >> provide infrastructure these days, they can do it in an adhoc way- so
> > >> in that world, what does OSGeo do for the projects? What should we be
> > >> doing?
> > >>
> > >> I think we have a wider remit in some ways- in that we're trying to
> > >> provide educational materials and foster local chapters- I don't
> > >> imagine Apache does a lot of that these days!
> > >>
> > >> Anyhow, just wondering out loud really- further thoughts appreciated!
> > >>
> > >> All the best
> > >>
> > >> Jo
> > >>
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