[Board] resignation

[Andrew Ross]

Jeff,

Really? How about the comment about fighting big pockets, lawyers, etc. 
Even in your more moderate reply you're raising the spectre of big 
business. That's nonsense, a cheap play to fear, and unhelpful. There's 
nothing of the sort going on.

Andrew

On 15/09/14 14:32, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> I did see fear, this week, i mentioned that in another email.
>
> I question why we cannot just both exist as-is, our foundations. Look 
> at what is happening....this stress.
>
> Maybe we need to pull back a bit, all of us, and agree that FOSS4G 
> will focus on community, keeping things fun and small, hosted by 
> OSGeo; and LocationTech can focus on business, and fill that missing 
> void (for big business interests).
>
> A few months ago I wrote that I think FOSS4GNA 2015 is good for 
> LocationTech, I did write that; I wrote that because I've seen that 
> every past FOSS4GNA has been focused on business already. So I felt 
> that FOSS4GNA 2015 is perfect for LocationTech.
>
> I do not feel this way for the international event, and I told you 
> that in person during the meeting.
>
> Where in my other emails was FUD and derogatory?
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2014-09-15 5:17 PM, Andrew Ross wrote:
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Perhaps you might like to apologize?
>>
>> What you have written is very derogatory, FUD-laden, and extremely
>> unprofessional. And it's completely uncalled for. Give me a break!
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 15/09/14 13:17, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>> Bart, what if you stay on the Board, and I go away, for good?  This
>>> way the merge can happen, and big business is happy.  I can't fight
>>> with LocationTech lawyers, their big pockets...I realized this on the
>>> plane home, it's a fight I cannot win.  If the little guy with the
>>> massive FOSS4G spirit could win, I would; but reality, reality (damn)
>>> is that this world needs money, business, funding, all that stuff I'm
>>> not good at.
>>>
>>> This week I saw things I thought I would never see in this community:
>>> talking behind backs, 'so and so said this', picking events to go
>>> to....it was dirty dirty dirty.  THAT isn't what FOSS4G is supposed to
>>> be about (no disrespect meant to the 2014 loc, which held an amazing
>>> event, or LocationTech which did nothing wrong).  I saw friends turn
>>> on friends.  I saw fear.  I even saw tears (yes i had tears in my eyes
>>> on saturday, but i tried to hide them...i bet Gerald noticed them in
>>> my eyes only during the meeting).
>>>
>>> It all saddens me deeply.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-09-15 4:05 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>>
>>>> I never closed any discussion with LocationTech, I did not run away 
>>>> from
>>>> sitting down with Andrew, and even on the Discuss list we are all
>>>> talking; I feel, this is all what must happen, talking, this all 
>>>> helps.
>>>>   I ended up donating all of my Saturday to this, (and well, looks 
>>>> like
>>>> all of my today to this)...because it is ultra important.
>>>>
>>>> This is a sad day.  I have been sad ever since the Board meeting 
>>>> ended.
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-09-15 3:58 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>
>>>>> you just wrote: "I do have a problem however with pointing out
>>>>> problems with OSGeo and our baby, FOSS4G; instead of pointing out
>>>>> problems, I feel those same people could be diving into helping OSGeo
>>>>> grow and pick up the ball themselves.”
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately I don’t have the energy to pick up the balls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the e-mail by you and Venka over the weekend sounded to me like
>>>>> we’re already closing down the LocationTech discussion before it even
>>>>> really started: "Let’s take a few steps back and have a booth at each
>>>>> other’s conference.”. This does not really encourage any further
>>>>> actions to be honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I just don’t have the energy to fight anymore to make 
>>>>> changes,
>>>>> sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Bart
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 20:48, Jeff McKenna 
>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand why you feel that we cannot tackle issues.  I
>>>>>> personally make a point to do so (we met with Andrew on Saturday for
>>>>>> this reason, donating must of our Saturday for that). However you
>>>>>> are referring to public emails?  I feel we are just now opening up
>>>>>> and discussing what it at the core of the issues (in today's email
>>>>>> thread, done super publicly on the Discuss list).  How do you feel
>>>>>> that we are avoiding the topic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Avoiding would be not attending the meeting with Andrew, or not
>>>>>> responding on any thread in a mailing list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you explain how we (of if you mean myself) avoids issues in the
>>>>>> public?  Should I have rather not responded in the public thread, in
>>>>>> your opinion?  If we don't discuss it on the Discuss list, where 
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> would we do it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2014-09-15 3:35 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello board,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m resigning from the board of directors, mostly because, if I’m
>>>>>>> honest with myself, this has been mostly a frustrating experience
>>>>>>> for me, sadly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I cannot function in an organisation where things / issues 
>>>>>>> cannot be
>>>>>>> put on the table publicly and get discussed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’d rather see someone else take up the spot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish you all the best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Bart
>>