[Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was: Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)

Sun Apr 12 22:29:48 PDT 2015

Cameron,

Maybe I'm getting old, but I would be quite ok with this version.

Thank you for digging into this. I should bring it to next meeting

J

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015, 14:58 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> OSGeo Board,
> Re the "Diversity" item on the agenda for the next meeting, I thought I
> should give an update.
>
> As below, it seems that the most recent CoC from Apache looks to be an
> improvement on the many before it. (It includes a CoC and Diversity
> statement), and I suggest that an OSGeo CoC/Diversity Statement is based
> upon the Apache one.
>
> I've taken a first draft at such a document here:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct
>
> It could do with a review.
>
> Note, I've also listed a number of other CoC/Diversity statements in
> this wiki, along with pros and cons for each (the page is now getting a
> bit big).
>
> Regards,
> Cameron
>
> On 3/04/2015 10:06 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> > I've been reading a lot of CoC statements over the last few days, and
> > can see how there has been a continual refinement with each new
> > version over time.
> >
> > 2010: Geek Feminism Anti Harassment Policy,
> > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy
> >
> > 2012: JSConf Code of Conduct, http://jsconf.com/codeofconduct.html
> >
> > 2012: O'Reilly Code of Conduct,
> > http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html
> >
> > April 2014: Debian Code of Conduct,
> > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
> >
> > Dec 2014: Apache CoC,
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html
> >
> > I like the Apache CoC, which is well written, and refines and extends
> > the best of prior CoCs.
> >
> > My thoughts are now moving toward adopting a CoC based on this Apache
> > CoC.
> >
> > On 3/04/2015 5:38 pm, Eli Adam wrote:
> >>> With so many variants on the CoC/Diversity Statement, it would be
> >>> great if a
> >>> international standard could be created, such as done for Open Source
> >>> Licenses.
> >> I think that there are a few CoC consolidation efforts like that
> >> currently, here is one [4] and another [5] that reference the first.
> >> I can't find all the links right now but recall them from the past.
> >> There was some OSM work to make one specific to mailing lists [6].
> >> Here are a handful of additional CoCs too [7], [8], [9], [10].
> >>
> >> CoC is inherently different than licenses.  Licenses have
> >> compatibility issues and there are strong forces which promote
> >> well-known compatible licenses.  Various companies have lawyers review
> >> licenses for compatibility too.  There is no concept of compatibility
> >> in CoC, nor are diverse legal resources dedicated to it.  So CoC is a
> >> realm (unlike licenses) where everyone can have their just slightly
> >> different CoC without causing incompatibility.  Despite the
> >> variability, all strive to promote a safe, productive, functioning
> >> community for all.
> >>
> >> Eli
> >>
> >>
> >> [4] http://citizencodeofconduct.org/
> >> [5] http://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html
> >> [6]
> >>
> https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md
> >> [7] https://github.com/codeforamerica/codeofconduct
> >> [8] https://github.com/twitter/code-of-conduct
> >> [9] https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct
> >> [10] https://github.com/selenamarie/conference_policies (list of
> >> others, mostly ~2012)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct
> >>> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Debian_Code_of_Conduct
> >>> [3]
> >>>
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Geek_Feminism_Template_Anti_Harassment_Policy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 31/03/2015 5:40 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I agree. Diversity also refers to language. We have to start
> >>> reason on
> >>> that as a richness and not as a barrier. I like to have this item in
> >>> the
> >>> CoC.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Best.
> >>>
> >>> Maria
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> >>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding
> >>> slang. Was:
> >>> Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> My experience within OSGeo was positive so far. At FOSS4G, sometimes
> >>> people
> >>> forget, that half of the crowd speaks English only occasionally,
> >>> which can
> >>> lead to misunderstandings.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway: I would like to point out, that it is not only matter of
> >>> writing,
> >>> but also talking (at foss4gs, sprints, ...) In public but also in
> >>> private,
> >>> what can be even harder than writing (you can not take your time to
> >>> figure
> >>> out the best way how to express, what you need).
> >>>
> >>> And yes, having something like that in CoC would be nice.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 22:00 Andrea Aime <andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Cameron Shorter
> >>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks all for the feedback.
> >>> So my question is:
> >>> 1. Should our Code of Conduct/Diversity statement mention that we
> >>> have a
> >>> multilingual community?
> >>>
> >>> I believe it's still a good idea.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2. What should we recommend that all, and especially native speakers
> >>> do to
> >>> make our community welcoming to non-native speakers?
> >>>
> >>> I'd suggest, just a reminder that the level of written English can
> >>> vary a
> >>> lot, ranging from cases where the lack of fluency is
> >>>
> >>> evident, to cases where the sentence seems just too direct/rude, so
> >>> generally speaking, it's a good idea to try and be patient
> >>>
> >>> and understanding.
> >>>
> >>> Sometimes I wish there was a guide of typical expectations/orientations
> >>> varying culture by culture, to try
> >>>
> >>> and understand better where people are coming from and put what they
> >>> say in
> >>> context (this example
> >>>
> >>>   might be wrong or just a silly generalizations, but just to give
> >>> you an
> >>> idea, I've heard
> >>>
> >>> Japanese normally won't say no in a conversation, you have to figure
> >>> it out,
> >>> and other cultures surely
> >>>
> >>> have their "surprising" traits as well).
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Andrea
> >>>
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