[Board] request for letter of support for Jan Hartmann (UvA)
Bart van den Eijnden
bartvde at osgis.nl
Mon Apr 13 05:40:28 PDT 2015
Thanks Maria,
I’ve added it to the agenda of the next board meeting: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-05-21#Current_items <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-05-21#Current_items>
Best regards,
Bart
> On 13 Apr 2015, at 14:33, Polimi <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:
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> Jeff and Board, this is an official request to the Board (put it please in the agenda of your next meeting)
>
> 1) the request has to be sent to the Board or to the Discuss list?
> 2) which are the rules?
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> Many thanks for that!!
>
> Maria
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> Il giorno 13/apr/2015, alle ore 14:26, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>> ha scritto:
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>> Maria, what you are not understanding, and I don't expect you to as you are not in my position, is that I actually get a lot of requests exact same as yours, often (I remember your private request came the same week as another). Yes from private companies and from researchers. The solution is for you to bring your request publicly, or as I see the 2007 guidelines state as noted by Even, bring your request to the Discuss list. Putting me as responsibility to bring your request publicly puts me in a very tricky situation (supposed to be representing the whole community, but could be seen as supporting one private company's interest).
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>> -jeff
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>> On 2015-04-13 9:18 AM, Polimi wrote:
>>> Jeff, I contacted you as President of OSGeo in such a way that you bring
>>> this thing to the attention of the Board. I did the same with George
>>> Percivall and there were no problems at all. You didn't understand, even
>>> when I tried to explain it, and you are continuing not understanding.
>>> Anyway, it doesn't matter. Probably the language divide exists. Now I
>>> know that the procedure is to send directly to the Board and not to the
>>> President. And that' s that for that.
>>>
>>>
>>> But my question now is another one: what are the rules of the Board for
>>> deciding about supporting a project or not?
>>> Maxi shares his thoughts, Gerald also, but I'm asking the Board position
>>> about this question.
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>> Maria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>>> Politecnico di Milano
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>>> Il giorno 13/apr/2015, alle ore 14:06, Jeff McKenna
>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> This is a good example of the challenge/stress I was referring to. In
>>>> your case both you and another party (private company) contacted me
>>>> privately to support a bid and I asked repeatedly to request it
>>>> publicly instead.
>>>>
>>>> But I agree, steps/guidelines on a wiki page is needed right away for
>>>> how to request official support for contracts, it is not an easy thing
>>>> to handle.
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-04-13 8:21 AM, Polimi wrote:
>>>>> I'm happy to see that now the approach of the Board has changed with
>>>>> respect to the past. I asked twice and twice my request was rejected.
>>>>> What is the new policy the Board has in mind? To support always? To
>>>>> support only in some cases? Which cases?
>>>>> Thanks for answering.
>>>>> Best.
>>>>> Maria
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>>>>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>>>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>>>>> Politecnico di Milano
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ISPRS WG IV/5 "Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and
>>>>> Applications"; OSGeo; ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind
>>>>> Europa Challenge; SIFET
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>>>>> <tel:+39-328-0023867> - fax. +39-031-3327321 <tel:+39-031-3327321>
>>>>>
>>>>> e-mail1: <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>
>>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>
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>>>>> e-mail2: prorettrice at como.polimi.it <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it>
>>>>> <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it>> <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno 13/apr/2015, alle ore 12:31, Michael Smith
>>>>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>
>>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>> ha
>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Maxi. I see no reason not to support this letter. And I
>>>>>> agree with Bart, we would support any group advancing open source
>>>>>> geospatial, even if they were competing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Michael Smith
>>>>>> OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
>>>>>> treasurer at osgeo.org <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org> <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org>>
>>>>>> <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, April 13, 2015 at 5:08 AM
>>>>>> To: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>
>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>>, Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>>
>>>>>> Cc: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>> <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Board] request for letter of support for Jan Hartmann
>>>>>> (UvA)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys, I believe Jeff will have some input to this topic,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but in the past, there were different points of views of European
>>>>>> board members and america-based board members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I would like to read the Jeff's and Michael's opinion to this,
>>>>>> because I feel, they have more fine sense for those kinds of
>>>>>> supporting letters then we in Europe have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> po 13. 4. 2015 v 10:13 odesílatel Massimiliano Cannata
>>>>>> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>
>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>>
>>>>>> napsal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From my point of view there is no issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whoever asks for a support letter which could help in gain funds
>>>>>> to develop, promote, advance FOSS4G should be supported by OSGeo.
>>>>>> No exclusion, even if two people are bidding in "competition",
>>>>>> they could always ask for a letter each and I don't see any conflict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I strongly believe that We, as the foundation, should always
>>>>>> support fund raising as one of our primary objective and only
>>>>>> verify that the proposal is in line with our CoC and mission
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maxi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno lun 13 apr 2015 alle ore 08:31 Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>
>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>> ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jachym,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in this case Jan’s “competition” is only research institutes
>>>>>> from other (non-geo) disciplines, so personally I don’t see
>>>>>> the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you still see an issue given the above?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13 Apr 2015, at 07:10, Jachym Cepicky
>>>>>>> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry about remaining still. Maybe you already addressed
>>>>>>> this. But AFAIK the policy is, not to explicitly support
>>>>>>> anybody's grants/project proposals, because of once you would
>>>>>>> have to support one project over another, which could cause
>>>>>>> us a lot of troubles..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015, 09:59 Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi board,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve been contacted by Jan Hartmann from the University
>>>>>>> of Amsterdam to see if OSGeo can write a letter of
>>>>>>> support for a large non-profit proposal he is putting
>>>>>>> together, details are here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Uva_letter_of_support <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Uva_letter_of_support>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The proposal is due May 18th so would be great if we can
>>>>>>> vote on it in this week's board meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>>
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