[Board] request for letter of support for Jan Hartmann (UvA)
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Mon Apr 13 05:42:39 PDT 2015
I went to save my wiki edits and Bart beat me to it :) A good problem to
have ha. I made minor changes too.
-jeff
On 2015-04-13 9:40 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
> Thanks Maria,
>
> I’ve added it to the agenda of the next board meeting:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2015-05-21#Current_items
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
>> On 13 Apr 2015, at 14:33, Polimi <maria.brovelli at polimi.it
>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Jeff and Board, this is an official request to the Board (put it
>> please in the agenda of your next meeting)
>>
>> 1) the request has to be sent to the Board or to the Discuss list?
>> 2) which are the rules?
>>
>> Many thanks for that!!
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>> Politecnico di Milano
>>
>>
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>> Il giorno 13/apr/2015, alle ore 14:26, Jeff McKenna
>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Maria, what you are not understanding, and I don't expect you to as
>>> you are not in my position, is that I actually get a lot of requests
>>> exact same as yours, often (I remember your private request came the
>>> same week as another). Yes from private companies and from
>>> researchers. The solution is for you to bring your request publicly,
>>> or as I see the 2007 guidelines state as noted by Even, bring your
>>> request to the Discuss list. Putting me as responsibility to bring
>>> your request publicly puts me in a very tricky situation (supposed to
>>> be representing the whole community, but could be seen as supporting
>>> one private company's interest).
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-13 9:18 AM, Polimi wrote:
>>>> Jeff, I contacted you as President of OSGeo in such a way that you bring
>>>> this thing to the attention of the Board. I did the same with George
>>>> Percivall and there were no problems at all. You didn't understand, even
>>>> when I tried to explain it, and you are continuing not understanding.
>>>> Anyway, it doesn't matter. Probably the language divide exists. Now I
>>>> know that the procedure is to send directly to the Board and not to the
>>>> President. And that' s that for that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But my question now is another one: what are the rules of the Board for
>>>> deciding about supporting a project or not?
>>>> Maxi shares his thoughts, Gerald also, but I'm asking the Board position
>>>> about this question.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks!
>>>> Maria
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>>>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>>>> Politecnico di Milano
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *FOSS4G EUROPE - Don't miss it! *Home <http://europe.foss4g.org/2015>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ISPRS WG IV/5 "Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and
>>>> Applications"; OSGeo; ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind
>>>> Europa Challenge; SIFET
>>>>
>>>> Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO <x-apple-data-detectors://1/0> (ITALY)
>>>>
>>>> Tel. +39-031-3327336 <tel:+39-031-3327336> - Mob. +39-328-0023867
>>>> <tel:+39-328-0023867> - fax. +39-031-3327321 <tel:+39-031-3327321>
>>>>
>>>> e-mail1: <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>maria.brovelli at polimi.it
>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>>
>>>> e-mail2: prorettrice at como.polimi.it
>>>> <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it> <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno 13/apr/2015, alle ore 14:06, Jeff McKenna
>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
>>>> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> This is a good example of the challenge/stress I was referring to. In
>>>>> your case both you and another party (private company) contacted me
>>>>> privately to support a bid and I asked repeatedly to request it
>>>>> publicly instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I agree, steps/guidelines on a wiki page is needed right away for
>>>>> how to request official support for contracts, it is not an easy thing
>>>>> to handle.
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-04-13 8:21 AM, Polimi wrote:
>>>>>> I'm happy to see that now the approach of the Board has changed with
>>>>>> respect to the past. I asked twice and twice my request was rejected.
>>>>>> What is the new policy the Board has in mind? To support always? To
>>>>>> support only in some cases? Which cases?
>>>>>> Thanks for answering.
>>>>>> Best.
>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>>>>>> Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>>>>> Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>>>>>> Politecnico di Milano
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *FOSS4G EUROPE - Don't miss it! *Home <http://europe.foss4g.org/2015>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISPRS WG IV/5 "Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and
>>>>>> Applications"; OSGeo; ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind
>>>>>> Europa Challenge; SIFET
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO <x-apple-data-detectors://1/0> (ITALY)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel. +39-031-3327336 <tel:+39-031-3327336> - Mob. +39-328-0023867
>>>>>> <tel:+39-328-0023867> - fax. +39-031-3327321 <tel:+39-031-3327321>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> e-mail1: <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>maria.brovelli at polimi.it
>>>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> e-mail2: prorettrice at como.polimi.it
>>>>>> <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it>
>>>>>> <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it>
>>>>>> <mailto:prorettrice at como.polimi.it>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno 13/apr/2015, alle ore 12:31, Michael Smith
>>>>>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>> ha
>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Maxi. I see no reason not to support this letter. And I
>>>>>>> agree with Bart, we would support any group advancing open source
>>>>>>> geospatial, even if they were competing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> Michael Smith
>>>>>>> OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
>>>>>>> treasurer at osgeo.org <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, April 13, 2015 at 5:08 AM
>>>>>>> To: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>, Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>
>>>>>>> Cc: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org> <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Board] request for letter of support for Jan Hartmann
>>>>>>> (UvA)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys, I believe Jeff will have some input to this topic,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but in the past, there were different points of views of European
>>>>>>> board members and america-based board members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I would like to read the Jeff's and Michael's opinion to this,
>>>>>>> because I feel, they have more fine sense for those kinds of
>>>>>>> supporting letters then we in Europe have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> po 13. 4. 2015 v 10:13 odesílatel Massimiliano Cannata
>>>>>>> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>>>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>
>>>>>>> napsal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From my point of view there is no issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whoever asks for a support letter which could help in gain funds
>>>>>>> to develop, promote, advance FOSS4G should be supported by OSGeo.
>>>>>>> No exclusion, even if two people are bidding in "competition",
>>>>>>> they could always ask for a letter each and I don't see any
>>>>>>> conflict.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I strongly believe that We, as the foundation, should always
>>>>>>> support fund raising as one of our primary objective and only
>>>>>>> verify that the proposal is in line with our CoC and mission
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maxi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il giorno lun 13 apr 2015 alle ore 08:31 Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jachym,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in this case Jan’s “competition” is only research institutes
>>>>>>> from other (non-geo) disciplines, so personally I don’t see
>>>>>>> the issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you still see an issue given the above?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13 Apr 2015, at 07:10, Jachym Cepicky
>>>>>>>> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry about remaining still. Maybe you already addressed
>>>>>>>> this. But AFAIK the policy is, not to explicitly support
>>>>>>>> anybody's grants/project proposals, because of once you would
>>>>>>>> have to support one project over another, which could cause
>>>>>>>> us a lot of troubles..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015, 09:59 Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi board,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve been contacted by Jan Hartmann from the University
>>>>>>>> of Amsterdam to see if OSGeo can write a letter of
>>>>>>>> support for a large non-profit proposal he is putting
>>>>>>>> together, details are here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Uva_letter_of_support
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The proposal is due May 18th so would be great if we can
>>>>>>>> vote on it in this week's board meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>>>
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