[Board] Board Digest, Vol 107, Issue 30
Steven Feldman
shfeldman at gmail.com
Fri Aug 28 13:32:56 PDT 2015
I disagree with Maxi’s proposal
We have a profile of exposure from Till. We need to provide them with a guarantee for up to €100k including the seed advance. This should not be a negotiation between OSGeo and the LOC, it should be based on the extent of exposure at different stages before we get tot he ‘point of no return'
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Steven
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> 1. Re: Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
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> 2. Re: Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
> (Massimiliano Cannata)
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> From: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
> Date: 28 August 2015 18:14:46 BST
> To: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> Maxi, please proceed with your changes.
>
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-08-28 2:09 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
>>
>> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things identical
>> to Seoul) if it is fine, but i don't want to mess up your things.
>>
>> Can I proceed?
>>
>> Best,
>> maxi
>>
>>
>> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>:
>>
>> Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement draft:
>> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>>
>> Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in OpenOffice format)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>
>> -1
>>
>> My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that took me to veto
>> this
>> motion.
>>
>> 1) The board has not been provided with sufficient information
>> regarding
>> past events to evaluate the current request
>> (I need to see a summary for each past event of: seed money,
>> guarantees,
>> fee, total expenses, total income, profit, OSGeo revenue)
>>
>> 2) I don't think OSGeo should be exposed for more then 1 FOSS4G
>> event at
>> the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year for event
>> organization I
>> believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k * 2)
>>
>> 3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000 seed money which
>> is also
>> the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past experiences that FOSS4G
>> is more
>> risky when organized outside Europe or USA, nevetheless we didn't
>> provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be fair I don't think we
>> shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
>>
>> 4) Finally (this is more a my common sense evaluation) I don't
>> think it
>> is raccomandable to take big budget decisions that may affect
>> the coming
>> board members activities just one week before of the elections.
>>
>> I strongly believe that this decision, involving such a great
>> amount of
>> money, should be postponed and submitted to the new board after the
>> elections and only having a clear vision of what was the procedure
>> followed in the past years. In fact, this decision will draw the
>> line to
>> be followed in the future for every international FOSS4G events.
>>
>>
>> For the above mentioned motivations, acknowledging the impelling
>> need of
>> money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to assign to the Bonn
>> local
>> committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the signing of afunding
>> agreement identical to the one approved by the OSGeo board and
>> signed by
>> the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015 for the Seoul
>> event.
>>
>> Future amendment could be possible if approved an signed by the
>> two parties.
>>
>>
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith
>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>>:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/26/15, 10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz"
>> <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> on
>> behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>
>> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>>> wrote:
>>
>> >+1
>> >
>> >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden
>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>>:
>> >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> Bart
>> >>
>> >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff McKenna
>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>>
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Board,
>> >>>
>> >>> I've spoken with Till this morning and this is time
>> sensitive.
>> Please
>> >>>respond within 2 business days.
>> >>>
>> >>> ***
>> >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for the guarantee of the
>> FOSS4G 2016
>> >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k euros from that
>> amount, to the
>> Bonn
>> >>>local committee as seed funding. Terms of the
>> agreement will be put
>> >>>into writing and signed by the chair of 2016 and OSGeo, and
>> approved by
>> >>>the OSGeo Board.
>> >>> ***
>> >>>
>> >>> This vote will help allow Till to start signing
>> contracts etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> -jeff
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >http://www.osgeo.org
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>> --
>> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>>
>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>
>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>
>>
>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>
>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>
>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
>>
>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>
>>
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>> --
>> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>>
>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>
>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>
>>
>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>
>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>
>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>
>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>
>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
>>
>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
>>
>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>
>> _www.supsi.ch/ist <http://www.supsi.ch/ist>_
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
> Date: 28 August 2015 18:18:31 BST
> To: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Cc: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> Dear all,
> in attachment the revised agreement draft following the Seoul one.
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
> 2015-08-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>:
> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
>
> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things identical to Seoul) if it is fine, but i don't want to mess up your things.
>
> Can I proceed?
>
> Best,
> maxi
>
>
> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>:
> Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement draft: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt <http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt>
>
> Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in OpenOffice format)
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> -1
>
> My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that took me to veto this
> motion.
>
> 1) The board has not been provided with sufficient information regarding
> past events to evaluate the current request
> (I need to see a summary for each past event of: seed money, guarantees,
> fee, total expenses, total income, profit, OSGeo revenue)
>
> 2) I don't think OSGeo should be exposed for more then 1 FOSS4G event at
> the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year for event organization I
> believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k * 2)
>
> 3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000 seed money which is also
> the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past experiences that FOSS4G is more
> risky when organized outside Europe or USA, nevetheless we didn't
> provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be fair I don't think we
> shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
>
> 4) Finally (this is more a my common sense evaluation) I don't think it
> is raccomandable to take big budget decisions that may affect the coming
> board members activities just one week before of the elections.
>
> I strongly believe that this decision, involving such a great amount of
> money, should be postponed and submitted to the new board after the
> elections and only having a clear vision of what was the procedure
> followed in the past years. In fact, this decision will draw the line to
> be followed in the future for every international FOSS4G events.
>
>
> For the above mentioned motivations, acknowledging the impelling need of
> money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to assign to the Bonn local
> committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the signing of afunding
> agreement identical to the one approved by the OSGeo board and signed by
> the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015 for the Seoul event.
>
> Future amendment could be possible if approved an signed by the two parties.
>
>
> Maxi
>
>
>
> 2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>>:
>
> +1
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On 8/26/15, 10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz" <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> on
> behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>>> wrote:
>
> >+1
> >
> >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>>:
> >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Bart
> >>
> >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff McKenna
> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Board,
> >>>
> >>> I've spoken with Till this morning and this is time sensitive.
> Please
> >>>respond within 2 business days.
> >>>
> >>> ***
> >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for the guarantee of the FOSS4G 2016
> >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k euros from that amount, to the
> Bonn
> >>>local committee as seed funding. Terms of the agreement will be put
> >>>into writing and signed by the chair of 2016 and OSGeo, and
> approved by
> >>>the OSGeo Board.
> >>> ***
> >>>
> >>> This vote will help allow Till to start signing contracts etc.
> >>>
> >>> -jeff
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Board mailing list
> >>> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org> <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>>
> >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board <http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board>
> >>
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> >> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org> <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>>
> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board <http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Jorge Sanz
> >http://www.osgeo.org <http://www.osgeo.org/>
> >http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz>
> >GPG: 86F8 3EA0 BD19 0CA2 801D 4FB2 6B45 68E4 6FB2 D89D
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>
>
>
> --
> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>
>
> Istituto scienze della Terra
>
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
>
> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
>
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>
>
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>
>
> --
> Massimiliano Cannata
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>
> Istituto scienze della Terra
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
> www.supsi.ch/ist <http://www.supsi.ch/ist>
>
>
> --
> Massimiliano Cannata
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>
> Istituto scienze della Terra
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
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