[Board] Board Digest, Vol 107, Issue 30

Steven Feldman shfeldman at gmail.com
Fri Aug 28 13:32:56 PDT 2015


I disagree with Maxi’s proposal

We have a profile of exposure from Till. We need to provide them with a guarantee for up to €100k including the seed advance. This should not be a negotiation between OSGeo and the LOC, it should be based on the extent of exposure at different stages before we get tot he ‘point of no return'
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Steven


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>   1. Re: Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
>      (Jeff McKenna)
>   2. Re: Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
>      (Massimiliano Cannata)
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> From: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
> Date: 28 August 2015 18:14:46 BST
> To: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org>
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> 
> Maxi, please proceed with your changes.
> 
> 
> -jeff
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-08-28 2:09 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
>> 
>> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things identical
>> to Seoul) if it is fine, but i don't want to mess up your things.
>> 
>> Can I proceed?
>> 
>> Best,
>> maxi
>> 
>> 
>> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>:
>> 
>>    Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement draft:
>>    http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>> 
>>    Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in OpenOffice format)
>> 
>>    Thanks,
>> 
>>    -jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>> 
>>        -1
>> 
>>        My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that took me to veto
>>        this
>>        motion.
>> 
>>        1) The board has not been provided with sufficient information
>>        regarding
>>        past events to evaluate the current request
>>        (I need to see a summary for each past event of: seed money,
>>        guarantees,
>>        fee, total expenses, total  income, profit, OSGeo revenue)
>> 
>>        2) I don't think OSGeo should be exposed for more then 1 FOSS4G
>>        event at
>>        the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year for event
>>        organization I
>>        believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k * 2)
>> 
>>        3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000 seed money which
>>        is also
>>        the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past experiences that FOSS4G
>>        is more
>>        risky when organized outside Europe or USA, nevetheless we didn't
>>        provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be fair I don't think we
>>        shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
>> 
>>        4) Finally (this is more a my common sense evaluation) I don't
>>        think it
>>        is raccomandable to take big budget decisions that may affect
>>        the coming
>>        board members activities just one week before of the elections.
>> 
>>        I strongly believe that this decision, involving such a great
>>        amount of
>>        money, should be postponed and submitted to the new board after the
>>        elections and only having a clear vision of what was the procedure
>>        followed in the past years. In fact, this decision will draw the
>>        line to
>>        be followed in the future for every international FOSS4G events.
>> 
>> 
>>        For the above mentioned motivations, acknowledging the impelling
>>        need of
>>        money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to assign to the Bonn
>>        local
>>        committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the signing of afunding
>>        agreement identical to the one approved by the OSGeo board and
>>        signed by
>>        the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015  for the Seoul
>>        event.
>> 
>>        Future amendment could be possible if approved an signed by the
>>        two parties.
>> 
>> 
>>        Maxi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith
>>        <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>        <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>        <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>>:
>> 
>>             +1
>> 
>>             Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>             On 8/26/15,  10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz"
>>        <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>        <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>             <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>        <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> on
>>             behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>
>>        <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>>> wrote:
>> 
>>              >+1
>>              >
>>              >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden
>>        <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>             <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>>:
>>              >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
>>              >>
>>              >> +1
>>              >>
>>              >> Bart
>>              >>
>>              >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff McKenna
>>             <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>        <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
>>        <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>        <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>>
>>              >>>wrote:
>>              >>>
>>              >>> Board,
>>              >>>
>>              >>> I've spoken with Till this morning and this is time
>>        sensitive.
>>             Please
>>              >>>respond within 2 business days.
>>              >>>
>>              >>> ***
>>              >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for the guarantee of the
>>        FOSS4G 2016
>>              >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k euros from that
>>        amount, to the
>>             Bonn
>>              >>>local committee as seed funding.  Terms of the
>>        agreement will be put
>>              >>>into writing and signed by the chair of 2016 and OSGeo, and
>>             approved by
>>              >>>the OSGeo Board.
>>              >>> ***
>>              >>>
>>              >>> This vote will help allow Till to start signing
>>        contracts etc.
>>              >>>
>>              >>> -jeff
>>              >>>
>>              >>>
>>              >>>
>>              >>>
>>              >>> _______________________________________________
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>>        *Massimiliano Cannata*
>> 
>>        Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>> 
>>        Responsabile settore Geomatica
>> 
>> 
>>        Istituto scienze della Terra
>> 
>>        Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>>        <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>        <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>        <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>
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>> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>> 
>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>> 
>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>> 
>> 
>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>> 
>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>> 
>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>> 
>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>> 
>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
>> 
>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
>> 
>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>> 
>> _www.supsi.ch/ist <http://www.supsi.ch/ist>_
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
> Date: 28 August 2015 18:18:31 BST
> To: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Cc: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org>
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> in attachment the revised agreement draft following the Seoul one.
> 
> Best,
> Maxi
> 
> 2015-08-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>:
> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
> 
> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things identical to Seoul) if it is fine, but i don't want to mess up your things.
> 
> Can I proceed?
> 
> Best,
> maxi
> 
> 
> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>:
> Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement draft: http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt <http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt>
> 
> Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in OpenOffice format)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> -1
> 
> My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that took me to veto this
> motion.
> 
> 1) The board has not been provided with sufficient information regarding
> past events to evaluate the current request
> (I need to see a summary for each past event of: seed money, guarantees,
> fee, total expenses, total  income, profit, OSGeo revenue)
> 
> 2) I don't think OSGeo should be exposed for more then 1 FOSS4G event at
> the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year for event organization I
> believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k * 2)
> 
> 3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000 seed money which is also
> the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past experiences that FOSS4G is more
> risky when organized outside Europe or USA, nevetheless we didn't
> provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be fair I don't think we
> shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
> 
> 4) Finally (this is more a my common sense evaluation) I don't think it
> is raccomandable to take big budget decisions that may affect the coming
> board members activities just one week before of the elections.
> 
> I strongly believe that this decision, involving such a great amount of
> money, should be postponed and submitted to the new board after the
> elections and only having a clear vision of what was the procedure
> followed in the past years. In fact, this decision will draw the line to
> be followed in the future for every international FOSS4G events.
> 
> 
> For the above mentioned motivations, acknowledging the impelling need of
> money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to assign to the Bonn local
> committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the signing of afunding
> agreement identical to the one approved by the OSGeo board and signed by
> the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015  for the Seoul event.
> 
> Future amendment could be possible if approved an signed by the two parties.
> 
> 
> Maxi
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>>:
> 
>     +1
> 
>     Mike
> 
> 
> 
>     On 8/26/15,  10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz" <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>     <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> on
>     behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>>> wrote:
> 
>      >+1
>      >
>      >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>     <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>>:
>      >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
>      >>
>      >> +1
>      >>
>      >> Bart
>      >>
>      >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff McKenna
>     <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>>
>      >>>wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> Board,
>      >>>
>      >>> I've spoken with Till this morning and this is time sensitive.
>     Please
>      >>>respond within 2 business days.
>      >>>
>      >>> ***
>      >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for the guarantee of the FOSS4G 2016
>      >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k euros from that amount, to the
>     Bonn
>      >>>local committee as seed funding.  Terms of the agreement will be put
>      >>>into writing and signed by the chair of 2016 and OSGeo, and
>     approved by
>      >>>the OSGeo Board.
>      >>> ***
>      >>>
>      >>> This vote will help allow Till to start signing contracts etc.
>      >>>
>      >>> -jeff
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>> _______________________________________________
>      >>> Board mailing list
>      >>> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org> <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>>
>      >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board <http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board>
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>      >
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>      >http://www.osgeo.org <http://www.osgeo.org/>
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> 
> 
> --
> *Massimiliano Cannata*
> 
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
> 
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
> 
> 
> Istituto scienze della Terra
> 
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
> 
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
> 
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
> 
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
> 
> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
> 
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>
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> 
> -- 
> Massimiliano Cannata
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
> 
> Istituto scienze della Terra
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
> 
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
> www.supsi.ch/ist <http://www.supsi.ch/ist>
> 
> 
> -- 
> Massimiliano Cannata
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
> 
> Istituto scienze della Terra
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
> 
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
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