[Board] Board Digest, Vol 107, Issue 30
Massimiliano Cannata
massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
Fri Aug 28 23:08:10 PDT 2015
Steven
Thanks for you contribution to the discussion.
I disagree with Steven.
I think the osgeo board is the only body that can take decisions on this
amount of OSGeo money.
If this 100k was a condition included in the Bonn proposal, than it was an
error select it without a vote from the board on this.
If this 100k is a souce of risk for FOSS4G happening (point-of-no-return)
it should be clearly stated in the proposal and it should have been an
element of evaluation. Again, the board shall have been informed and asked
to take a position.
If this 100k is such a big souce of risk it should have a mitigation action
programmed.
As i see, it is a matter of democracy and rules. OSGeo boad is elected by
OSGeo charter members to take decisions wisely in name of the community.
I feel this is my role now and it is not that i want to be disctruptive but
as i feel it is an important motion i want to have a clear picture of the
past and a clear definition on rules.
It is not only discussing and taking decision on single item and situation
the role of the board.
it should also be discuss, set-up and change rules so that motions fall in
or out of agreed rules so that decision can be taken.
This is my view of things.
Maxi
Il 28/Ago/2015 22:32, "Steven Feldman" <shfeldman at gmail.com> ha scritto:
> I disagree with Maxi’s proposal
>
> We have a profile of exposure from Till. We need to provide them with a
> guarantee for up to €100k including the seed advance. This should not be a
> negotiation between OSGeo and the LOC, it should be based on the extent of
> exposure at different stages before we get tot he ‘point of no return'
> ______
> Steven
>
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> 1. Re: Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
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> 2. Re: Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
> (Massimiliano Cannata)
>
> *From: *Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> *Subject: **Re: [Board] Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team*
> *Date: *28 August 2015 18:14:46 BST
> *To: *OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> Maxi, please proceed with your changes.
>
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-08-28 2:09 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>
> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
>
> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things identical
> to Seoul) if it is fine, but i don't want to mess up your things.
>
> Can I proceed?
>
> Best,
> maxi
>
>
> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>:
>
> Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement draft:
>
> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>
> Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in OpenOffice format)
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>
> -1
>
> My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that took me to veto
> this
> motion.
>
> 1) The board has not been provided with sufficient information
> regarding
> past events to evaluate the current request
> (I need to see a summary for each past event of: seed money,
> guarantees,
> fee, total expenses, total income, profit, OSGeo revenue)
>
> 2) I don't think OSGeo should be exposed for more then 1 FOSS4G
> event at
> the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year for event
> organization I
> believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k * 2)
>
> 3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000 seed money which
> is also
> the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past experiences that FOSS4G
> is more
> risky when organized outside Europe or USA, nevetheless we didn't
> provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be fair I don't think we
> shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
>
> 4) Finally (this is more a my common sense evaluation) I don't
> think it
> is raccomandable to take big budget decisions that may affect
> the coming
> board members activities just one week before of the elections.
>
> I strongly believe that this decision, involving such a great
> amount of
> money, should be postponed and submitted to the new board after the
> elections and only having a clear vision of what was the procedure
> followed in the past years. In fact, this decision will draw the
> line to
> be followed in the future for every international FOSS4G events.
>
>
> For the above mentioned motivations, acknowledging the impelling
> need of
> money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to assign to the Bonn
> local
> committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the signing of afunding
> agreement identical to the one approved by the OSGeo board and
> signed by
> the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015 for the Seoul
> event.
>
> Future amendment could be possible if approved an signed by the
> two parties.
>
>
> Maxi
>
>
>
> 2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith
> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>>:
>
> +1
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On 8/26/15, 10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz"
> <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> on
> behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>
> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>>> wrote:
>
> >+1
> >
> >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden
> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>>:
> >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Bart
> >>
> >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff McKenna
> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Board,
> >>>
> >>> I've spoken with Till this morning and this is time
> sensitive.
> Please
> >>>respond within 2 business days.
> >>>
> >>> ***
> >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for the guarantee of the
> FOSS4G 2016
> >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k euros from that
> amount, to the
> Bonn
> >>>local committee as seed funding. Terms of the
> agreement will be put
> >>>into writing and signed by the chair of 2016 and OSGeo, and
> approved by
> >>>the OSGeo Board.
> >>> ***
> >>>
> >>> This vote will help allow Till to start signing
> contracts etc.
> >>>
> >>> -jeff
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>
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>
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>
>
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>
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>
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>
>
> Istituto scienze della Terra
>
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
>
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>
> *From: *Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
> *Subject: **Re: [Board] Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team*
> *Date: *28 August 2015 18:18:31 BST
> *To: *Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> *Cc: *OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> Dear all,
> in attachment the revised agreement draft following the Seoul one.
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
> 2015-08-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Massimiliano Cannata <
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>:
>
>> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
>>
>> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things identical to
>> Seoul) if it is fine, but i don't want to mess up your things.
>>
>> Can I proceed?
>>
>> Best,
>> maxi
>>
>>
>> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>:
>>
>>> Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement draft:
>>> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>>>
>>> Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in OpenOffice format)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>
>>>> -1
>>>>
>>>> My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that took me to veto this
>>>> motion.
>>>>
>>>> 1) The board has not been provided with sufficient information regarding
>>>> past events to evaluate the current request
>>>> (I need to see a summary for each past event of: seed money, guarantees,
>>>> fee, total expenses, total income, profit, OSGeo revenue)
>>>>
>>>> 2) I don't think OSGeo should be exposed for more then 1 FOSS4G event at
>>>> the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year for event organization I
>>>> believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k * 2)
>>>>
>>>> 3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000 seed money which is also
>>>> the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past experiences that FOSS4G is more
>>>> risky when organized outside Europe or USA, nevetheless we didn't
>>>> provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be fair I don't think we
>>>> shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
>>>>
>>>> 4) Finally (this is more a my common sense evaluation) I don't think it
>>>> is raccomandable to take big budget decisions that may affect the coming
>>>> board members activities just one week before of the elections.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly believe that this decision, involving such a great amount of
>>>> money, should be postponed and submitted to the new board after the
>>>> elections and only having a clear vision of what was the procedure
>>>> followed in the past years. In fact, this decision will draw the line to
>>>> be followed in the future for every international FOSS4G events.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For the above mentioned motivations, acknowledging the impelling need of
>>>> money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to assign to the Bonn local
>>>> committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the signing of afunding
>>>> agreement identical to the one approved by the OSGeo board and signed by
>>>> the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015 for the Seoul event.
>>>>
>>>> Future amendment could be possible if approved an signed by the two
>>>> parties.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maxi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/26/15, 10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz" <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on
>>>> behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >+1
>>>> >
>>>> >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>>:
>>>> >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> +1
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Bart
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff McKenna
>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:
>>>> jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Board,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I've spoken with Till this morning and this is time sensitive.
>>>> Please
>>>> >>>respond within 2 business days.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ***
>>>> >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for the guarantee of the FOSS4G
>>>> 2016
>>>> >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k euros from that amount, to the
>>>> Bonn
>>>> >>>local committee as seed funding. Terms of the agreement will
>>>> be put
>>>> >>>into writing and signed by the chair of 2016 and OSGeo, and
>>>> approved by
>>>> >>>the OSGeo Board.
>>>> >>> ***
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This vote will help allow Till to start signing contracts etc.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -jeff
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> Board mailing list
>>>> >>> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>> >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>> >> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >Jorge Sanz
>>>> >http://www.osgeo.org
>>>> >http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz
>>>> >GPG: 86F8 3EA0 BD19 0CA2 801D 4FB2 6B45 68E4 6FB2 D89D
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>>>>
>>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>>>
>>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>>>
>>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>>>
>>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>>>
>>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>>>
>>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
>>>>
>>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
>>>>
>>>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>
>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>
>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>
>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>> *www.supsi.ch/ist <http://www.supsi.ch/ist>*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Massimiliano Cannata*
> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>
> Istituto scienze della Terra
>
> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>
> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
> *www.supsi.ch/ist <http://www.supsi.ch/ist>*
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