[Board] Incubation <s>nightmare</s> question

Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
Mon Jan 26 07:08:22 PST 2015


Dear Arnulf, Cameron and All,
I wrote this e-mail because I don't think istSOS is in incubation.

This is because:
- i din't receive any confirmation from anybody about that
- istSOS is not listed in the "incubating" projects
- in all the presentations I saw that mentioned OSGeo projects and
incubation project istSOS has been never mentioned

I think, that the board should vote on this. Am I wrong?

I didn't stress the mentor (Arnulf) because I think he will help me in
achieve incubation requirements and improve the project, up to be able to
graduate, eventually; not in bypassing forgetfulness or inattention in the
procedure.

As soon as istSOS knows is in incubation, it might start to stress the
Mentor to see what it miss (I believe a lot of things!!)

This mail "incubation nigthmare" was to underline that something is not
working in the procedure of incubation.

Maybe istSOS will never be able to incubate, but at least starting would be
a good point.

Maxi






Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 1:52:08 PM Seven (aka Arnulf) <seven at arnulf.us>
ha scritto:

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> Massimiliano,
> before calling all of Incubation a nightmare I would suggest to check
> what may have gone bad in your specific case. I am the assigned mentor
> for istSOS so ideally you should first contact me directly before
> frustrating all on this list, right?
>
>
> Your last mail to me dates from April 24 2014 [0] and the first thing
> you say is that you can easily retrieve a "code agreement" - but I have
> not yet seen this manifest anywhere. So how to proceed?
>
> To me the most problematic section in the Incubation process of istSOS
> is the "Community Functioning". If you look at the Wiki web site [1]
> there are still quite a few "tba" (does that mean "to be added"?).
> Please add.
>
> The IstSOS Provenance Review page [2] in the Wiki is still not populated
> at all. Please add.
>
> Until those questions are answered I don't think that the project is
> ready to graduate.
>
>
> [later]
> Admittedly I was somewhat annoyed by your mail.
>
> ...but now that I read maybe there has been a general misunderstanding.
> In my opinion IstSOS is already in incubation and I am just waiting for
> results. Rereading your mail it appears that you are still expecting
> some confirmation from the board level? Right?
>
>
>
> In general projects seem to expect the mentor to do all the work to get
> their project through incubation. This is not so - at least not from my
> perspective which may obviously be wrong. In my understanding the mentor
> is there to help if there are process questions, recommend a way forward
> in a tricky situation and to make a pre-check of the status of the
> project to be able to recommend graduation.
>
>
> Which is what I tried to achieve with this mail. Did it work?
>
>
> Have fun,
> Arnulf
>
> [0] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-April/002389.html
> [1]
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Incubation_Status#Community_Functioning
> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Provenance_Review
>
>
> On 24.01.2015 17:58, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> > Dear incubation committee,
> > I'm embarassed in writing this email...
> >
> > but after a very very long waiting I have to complain for the treatment
> > the istsos software is receiving.
> >
> > Is the same for all the software or just this project is not considered?
> >
> > Almost one year ago I apply for entering incubation, the committee asks
> > me to follow the procedure with form.. Then ticket.. And I fill
> everything.
> >
> > The committee said we need a mentor, Arnulf volunteered,  and the
> > committee, I think, voted approving istsos to pass in incubation.
> >
> > Then?.... Nothing... And one year is passed!
> >
> > I think the committee shall make a motion to the board to approve the
> > decision, but it never happened.
> >
> > The result? Istsos is not in incubation: not in the website nor in any
> > talk I have followed.
> >
> > Why making a motion is so difficult?
> >
> > If this is the treatment for new software approaching our community I
> > believe something does not work at all!
> >
> > I know people are volunteer and not paid,  but the welcome steps are
> > minimal: reading a page, vote, and make a motion.
> >
> > If we get stack here, and after several remainders from my side, this is
> > really discouraging.
> >
> > Sorry for this email.
> >
> > Massimiliano
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
> - --
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