[Board] Minutes from 12 November meeting

Tue Nov 17 02:52:52 PST 2015

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Dead Board,
it appears that there is a misunderstanding about what justice means.
There are two quite different approaches which are nicely depicted in
this cartoon:
https://www.google.de/search?q=Equality_is_not_always_Justice&tbm=isch

Guess what my take is?

This is to say that I concur with Cameron that someone coming from afar
on their own cost may "deserve" more financial support than someone who
can attend FOSS4G with their employer's support or even simply on their
own. So personally and as an OSGeo Charter Member I absolutely support
that OSGeo reimburses board members for travel and accommodation - if
they ask for it. If they do not ask for it because they can get funding
elsewhere - so much the better.

Not sure whether the current set-up of directors would even consider
something this unorthodox. And to be honest, while I was on the board I
never dared even suggesting something like this because it would very
much look like self serving, even if it is not at all and by no means.
So this may require that we poll the Charter Members instead of making
it a board motion.  Thoughts?

Have fun,
Arnulf

On 17.11.2015 10:14, Daniel Kastl wrote:
> I think nobody has a problem with (partially) funding board members
> their travel expenses for such a meeting for example.
> The concern of probably everyone is about the amount, and in my
> opinion it would be best to agree on a yearly budget instead of a
> wildcard amount and leave it up to the board to make use of it in the
> most efficient way.
> 
> Then the FOSS4G in Bonn for example might be the most cost-efficient
> place to meet in 2016. Some members may be paid to attend by their
> employer or they will live nearby. It wouldn't be fair in my opinion
> to let a board member from Australia pay for a flight around the globe
> just because the majority of board members is located in Europe.
> Assuming that every board member will be able to cover the costs for
> attending a f2f meeting will exclude many possible candidates to stand
> up for election.
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 17/11/15 17:41, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>> Dear All, I was responsible for the motion after the above cited
>> discussions. My motivation was a bit provocative (and I expected
>> some discussion that didn't happen at all with my great
>> disappointment) but at the same time I wanted to give equity: or
>> everybody can be reimbursed or nobody, this is my point.
> 
>> I'm fine with both options but not with a gray zone where someone
>> get reimbursed and/or free conference admission and someone not.
> 
>> I agree, at this point this is a question for the charter members.
> 
>> Maxi
> 
> 
>> 2015-11-17 7:32 GMT+01:00 Jeroen Ticheler
>> <jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net <mailto:jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net>>:
> 
>> Dear Cameron, dear board I agree with Cameron's observation on
>> this. It would be good to refine the motion and be explicit on what
>> is and what is not funded by OSGeo. And if there is a substantial
>> budget involved (>4000$ per year including conference fee discounts
>> etc) I think this needs broader support from the community,
>> possibly by asking charter members for their vote of support. 
>> Cheers, Jeroen
> 
>>> Op 16 nov. 2015 om 20:07 heeft Cameron Shorter
>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 17/11/2015 3:58 am, Sanghee Shin wrote: 2. MOTION: OSGeo to
>>>> pay for travel and arrangements at FOSS4G
>> Bonn for all board members if a F2F board meeting is planned for
>> there
>>>
>>> OSGeo Board, Is this the second f2f meeting within a year that
>>> the OSGeo board
>> is proposing to be paid to attend?
>>> Also is this the first OSGeo Board who would be all sponsored to
>> attend a FOSS4G event?
>>>
>>> I'm concerned that this is a deviation from prior OSGeo
>> principles, and looks externally to be self-serving.
>>> I suspect that travel costs would become a reasonable percentage
>> of OSGeo's budget should regular board travel be approved.
>>> As such, I suggest it should be a line item in the OSGeo Vision
>>> as
>> well as in the OSGeo budget. (I assume the current budget's travel 
>> allowance isn't sufficient to cover 2 board international trips?)
>>>
>>> -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data Solutions Manager LISAsoft 
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