[Board] Minutes from 12 November meeting

Wed Nov 18 06:03:09 PST 2015

As per my email, I would expect the request only to be made if budget
allowed. I expect OSGeo to neither be a low capital or high capital
organization but responsible.

So with respect the answer to your question is based on contracting
sponsors. I would much rather OSGeo set up a sponsorship program allowing
FOSS4G prices to be lowered.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:34 AM Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm not questioning board members being re-reimbursed for expenses
> incurred while carrying out board duties.
> Rather, I'm questioning whether board members should be asked to carry out
> such duties in the first place.
>
> It comes back to the question of whether we want OSGeo to be a high
> capital or low capital organisation.
>
> In a low capital organisation, expenses are kept to a minimum. This can be
> achieved by:
> 1. Using a local OSGeo Advocate to present OSGeo messages instead of
> paying for a board member or president to fly half way around the world to
> give the same presentation.
> 2. Make use of skype, email, hangouts, IRC etc for communication instead
> of face-to-face meetings.
>
> This means that OSGeo doesn't need to earn money, which is very liberating.
> It means there is less pressure on FOSS4G to make a profit (to sustain
> OSGeo), which in turn allows FOSS4G events to be cheaper and more
> assessable.
> It allows money to be applied to other outreach activities instead.
>
>
>
> On 18/11/2015 10:05 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> While I was happy to vote for covering travel costs - I did not expect to
> use them myself as I will be attending the event.
>
> The general theme (and the reason for me voting +1) is that if we are
> expecting an OSGeo member to operate in an official capacity on behalf of
> the foundation I would like OSGeo be in position to reimburse the
> individual for additional costs incurred.
>
> I believe this is consistent with covering Jeff's cost to attend the
> upcoming Moscow event (we are asking Jeff to represent the foundation in an
> official capacity).
>
> This is nothing specific about Jeff or his role as our president - instead
> it is the boards request to have a representative in an official capacity
> present at the event. I feel a board member or charter member may be able
> to fulfill that role.
>
> I expect this (and any future board) to keep the current budget in mind
> and balance the need for members to act in an official capacity in mind
> when planing or approving such activities.
>
> To bring this back to the current example of foss4g 2016 bonn:
> * If I am asked to attend a face to face meeting, I may ask that an
> addition day of accommodation be covered, since I am otherwise attending
> that event.
> * It may not make sense to schedule a face to face meeting (depending on
> board priorities and budget looks like)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 17 November 2015 at 00:41, Massimiliano Cannata <
> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>> I was responsible for the motion after the above cited discussions.
>> My motivation was a bit provocative (and I expected some discussion that
>> didn't happen at all with my great disappointment) but at the same time I
>> wanted to give equity: or everybody can be reimbursed or nobody, this is my
>> point.
>>
>> I'm fine with both options but not with a gray zone where someone get
>> reimbursed and/or free conference admission and someone not.
>>
>> I agree, at this point this is a question for the charter members.
>>
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>> 2015-11-17 7:32 GMT+01:00 Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net>:
>>
>>> Dear Cameron, dear board
>>> I agree with Cameron's observation on this. It would be good to refine
>>> the motion and be explicit on what is and what is not funded by OSGeo. And
>>> if there is a substantial budget involved (>4000$ per year including
>>> conference fee discounts etc) I think this needs broader support from the
>>> community, possibly by asking charter members for their vote of support.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeroen
>>>
>>> > Op 16 nov. 2015 om 20:07 heeft Cameron Shorter <
>>> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 17/11/2015 3:58 am, Sanghee Shin wrote:
>>> >> 2. MOTION: OSGeo to pay for travel and arrangements at FOSS4G Bonn
>>> for all board members if a F2F board meeting is planned for there
>>> >
>>> > OSGeo Board,
>>> > Is this the second f2f meeting within a year that the OSGeo board is
>>> proposing to be paid to attend?
>>> > Also is this the first OSGeo Board who would be all sponsored to
>>> attend a FOSS4G event?
>>> >
>>> > I'm concerned that this is a deviation from prior OSGeo principles,
>>> and looks externally to be self-serving.
>>> > I suspect that travel costs would become a reasonable percentage of
>>> OSGeo's budget should regular board travel be approved.
>>> > As such, I suggest it should be a line item in the OSGeo Vision as
>>> well as in the OSGeo budget. (I assume the current budget's travel
>>> allowance isn't sufficient to cover 2 board international trips?)
>>> >
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