[Board] resuming discussion on vice-presidents and officers

Tue Nov 8 21:34:36 PST 2016

Dear Jody, dear Venka

sorry for my delay. I'm in Seoul committed with the UN Open GIS Meeting with few time and some jet lag effetcs.

Below my points.

As for the general question:

- we are going to discuss (we decided that)  about OSGeo bylaws. I suggest we postpone also this discussion (President/Vice Presidents as Members of the Board) during the revision of the bylaws.

As for now:

- As we have two Directors who were nominated, seconded and who accepted, I don't see the reason why we need to take members outside the Board. The Members of  the current Board were elected at the last elections. The votes they received were awarding their strong activity for and with the community. So, I really don't understand why we have to disregard the message derived from the vote. People don't vote randomly. Their message is clear: Angelos received many votes for all he have been doing. I'm not saying that other people are worse, but the message from the Community is: we trust Angelos more than other people. So, please let me know which is the reason why you want to do something different. I'm not against Dirk,  I like him but, despite the fact he was one of the two previous Vice President, he received less votes than Angelos.

This is the reason why I'm favour of Angelos and Helena as next Vice Presidents.

Regards,

Maria

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Da: Board <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
Inviato: mercoledì 9 novembre 2016 01.05
A: Venkatesh Raghavan
Cc: board at lists.osgeo.org
Oggetto: Re: [Board] resuming discussion on vice-presidents and officers

Thanks Venka, I felt bad after mailing that terse response - please forgive me.

I have sent a longer email trying to explore what we are looking at, I trust we can find a good balance.

--
Jody Garnett

On 8 November 2016 at 15:51, Venkatesh Raghavan <venka.osgeo at gmail.com<mailto:venka.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jody,

On 11/9/2016 8:26 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
Venka, you have failed to acknowledge the reasons why Michael Smith and
myself did not vote for MOT3 - and skipped straight ahead to other motions.

I acknowledge that Mike and Jody voted disagreed for MOT3
Mike felt that the President and Vice-President appointments
could be open to persons with past experience in the OSGeo board.
Jody expressed that President and Vice-President could be
appointed from among our Charter members.

I came with the new motions in response to requests
to come up alternative motions when disagreeing. It was not my
intention of skipping ahead but only propose
alternative motion while expressing my disagreement to
a current motion.

Please stop; respect others; and try and build consensus.

I meant disrespect to the opinion of others and the mail
below is a part of my effort to build consensus by
proposing alternatives. You may kindly note that I have
stated in the loomio thread that MOT8 and MOT9
could be moved if there is no objection from others.

Best

Venka

--
Jody Garnett

On 8 November 2016 at 15:02, Venkatesh Raghavan <
raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp<mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>> wrote:

Dear All,

I am voting "disagreed" for the present MOT6 on loomio because;

a) I have already voted "agreed" for "MOT3: President and Vice-President
be selecting
from current board" and also explained my views in my earlier mail to this
list [1].

b) I think the President and regional Vice-President should be able
to vote on motions tabled at the board meetings. This is presently
possible only for elected board members.

I am also for continuing our current practice of appointing our charter
members
(or external members, although there is no precedence for this) as
Officers for other committee (marketing, incubation, SAC, Geo4All, UN,
etc.)
and software PSCs.

Current board members Helena, Angelos and Anita were nominated as regional
Vice-President at our last board meeting. Anita had declined. Therefore,
I would like to propose the following new motions.

MOT8: Helena to continue as regional Vice-President for the rest of
her term as elected Board member. (Nominated by Venka and seconded by
Maria at the board meenting held on 3 Nov. 2016)

MOT9: Appoint Angelos as our new regional Vice-President for the rest of
his term as elected Board member. (Nominated by Venka and seconded by
Maria at the board meeting held on 3 Nov. 2016 and also earlier on loomio)

Best

Venka

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2016-November/014703.html

On 11/9/2016 3:56 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:

We have now exhausted the three proposals put forth in the IRC meeting.

I would like to resume discussion, asking all board members to listen now
and compose a motion that that can be approved. In several cases the voting
process is shutting down conversation at the expense of communication.

Please take a moment to read why each motion was rejected, and what you
could do to open up communication with the parties that were forced to vote
"no".
--
Jody Garnett

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