[Board] Stolen computer

Thu Aug 3 15:04:56 PDT 2017

Before doubting of people commitment and responsibility, I would ask myself
if any reason (eg. August, vacation, traveling) block them from voting.. or
anyone know something more to share?
Not taking a decision is simpler with abstaining ;-)

Dear board non voting members, please could you give your the reason?

Best
Maxi

Il 03 ago 2017 10:51 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> ha
scritto:

> OSGeo Board members,
>
> I acknowledge that this was a difficult vote, but please don't use this as
> a reason not to vote.
>
> When you are volunteering to be a board member, the one thing one thing
> you are being asked to do is have an opinion and vote. Please take this
> responsibility seriously, and be prepared to vote on all motions, not just
> the easy and obvious motions.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
> On 4/8/17 2:10 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> This motion did not pass - sadly it did not pass because the board members
> disagreed; it did not pass because not enough board members responded to
> the motion.
>
> https://www.loomio.org/p/TA0rPawq/offer-financial-assistence-to-nick-and-
> niroshan-to-cover-insurance-costs-of-stolen-laptops-
>
> This is a non-result that does not set a precedent for future boards.
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 27 July 2017 at 06:05, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cameron and Michael your words of caution are very much taken to heart.
>>
>> Maria has started a motion here
>> <https://www.loomio.org/d/csZ2X8ap/stolen-computers-at-foss4g> and I am
>> copying my words to email for wider discussion:
>>
>> *I am in favour of us helping assist in this case, but I understand their
>> is a series of groups, including the local organizing committee who would
>> like to help out. I would be the most comfortable with the local organizing
>> committee (or even the rented venue assisting.)*
>>
>> *We have been cautioned about "setting a precedent" last time the board
>> acted in a generous fashion outside of our mission statement (since we are
>> responsible for our actions to our membership which elected us). In this
>> case the people effected individuals are both productive members of our
>> volunteering in an official capacity with our organization: one as a summer
>> of code student, and the second as a member of the marketing committee. I
>> believe our membership will understand why we are making this choice.*
>>
>> *While it may be sad in the future if trouble befalls an attendees at one
>> of our events we do not wish to set a precedent or expectation for future
>> events to follow. We are taking action both out of compassion (this sucks)
>> and these individuals our volunteers in our organization we do not want our
>> membership to loose the benefits of their productivity (this sucks for
>> osgeo). This is in a similar spirit to the liability insurance we hold for
>> our board members and officers.*
>>
>> And on the specifics:
>>
>> *From the email thread it sounds like both computers are covered by
>> insurance, but not the full costs. There are two ways to understand this
>> email:*
>>
>>
>>    - *For a $2500 computer, perhaps it was only insured for $2000 (often
>>    this is fine as computers get older).*
>>    - *Or perhaps it is a "deductible" - for example for a $2000 computer
>>    there may be a $500 deductible needing to be paid. So while the insurance
>>    covers everything, you are required to pay $500 to access the insurance.*
>>
>> *I would be comfortable making a proposal making up to $2000 available to
>> the treasurer to assist with paying any insurance costs incurred while
>> replacing the stolen laptops. Subject to "prompt reimbursement" on receipt
>> (if paid for already) or invoice (if there is an email/bill that can be
>> sent to the treasurer to show the amount needed).*
>>
>> This is the kind of discussion is difficult because we all have the "it
>> could of been me" response, and general annoyance this incident would
>> reflect poorly on our community (even though it is not our fault). It also
>> paints board members into a bit of a corner; because we do not wish to
>> appear mean / heartless / insensitive (cameron's all things to all people).
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 27 July 2017 at 04:16, Michael Terner <mgt at appgeo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> + Conference Dev
>>>
>>> Two very small points from the Boston perspective as these kinds of
>>> things are on our mind, and we are seeking lessons learned to improve our
>>> event:
>>>
>>>    1. Insurance can be expensive. We have an insurance policy that does
>>>    not cover things like lost/stolen items for attendees, but does cover
>>>    eventualities like needing to cancel the event due to catastrophe. The cost
>>>    of a policy covering lost/stolen events - at least for an event the size of
>>>    Boston - would have been significantly higher than the cost of replacing 2
>>>    laptops (and there is additional administrative time in setting it up).
>>>    2. This incident also illustrates the need to have appropriate
>>>    physical security. We will be mindful to not leave our registration desk
>>>    without someone there; and to discourage people from leaving items in
>>>    places where there are not people actively watching. We also have access to
>>>    a couple of locked rooms where things can be stored and will encourage
>>>    their use to the extent possible.
>>>
>>> We too regret the hassle, inconvenience and loss that Nick and Niroshan
>>> experienced. As with all negative things, hopefully there is a silver
>>> lining and this community can improve processes to reduce the risks of loss
>>> at conferences...
>>>
>>> MT
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:46 AM, Cameron Shorter <
>>> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll let others comment on this particular thread. It is very sad to
>>>> hear of people having a computer stolen and noble to hear of people helping
>>>> those in need.
>>>>
>>>> But on a general level, I suggest that OSGeo should be careful not to
>>>> become all things to all people. We should focus on what we are best at.
>>>> There are insurance companies designed to manage loss of items. For future
>>>> incidents of this type, lets make use of them rather than designing our own.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Cameron (not a current board member, so my vote doesn't count)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27/7/17 12:21 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Luca for bringing this to everyone's attention.  Indeed this
>>>>> was a very unfortunate incident.  I am a strong +1 to help Niroshan and
>>>>> Nick in any costs not covered by insurance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The day before this happened I also left my bag for a few hours behind
>>>>> the registration desk; this could have happened to anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> This kind of thing has been at the back of my mind for a while now;
>>>>> how lucky we have been for accidents at FOSS4G events.  We travel to areas
>>>>> all around the world, and anything can happen. Luckily Niroshan or Nick
>>>>> were not hurt or injured.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be a good time to review the event insurance for our FOSS4G
>>>>> events, and how it relates to unfortunate accidents like this.  (and how we
>>>>> would handle the cases if the attendee had no personal insurance, which
>>>>> would have been my case - for example, maybe the OSGeo Board should set
>>>>> aside a small block of funding in each yearly budget for this)
>>>>>
>>>>> But my gut feeling is that was a small warning, as our FOSS4G event
>>>>> grows in popularity, we must take care, to take care of our attendees.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very sorry for such a hassle to Niroshan and Nick, to their
>>>>> studies and their work.  I hope we can agree to make sure that they have to
>>>>> pay nothing out of their own pockets to replace lost equipment; and also
>>>>> agree to take this as a small lesson and review our own event policies.
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cameron Shorter
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>>>>
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