[Board] board operation question from the incubation list

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Both me and Astrid abstained from that vote.
I do not see any issue here, this has happened with other projects many 
times in the past.

Best,
Angelos

On 11/06/2017 09:31 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> Agreed, that is indeed how it works. The +0 abstain allows us to get a 100%
> response rate (needed to pass electronic voting) and we still have a
> majority in favour so the motion was passed (needed for robert's rules of
> order).
>
> I figure our directors are nominated in part for their community
> participation so we can expect that they will have several
> responsibilities. And then trust their integrity when voting as a director
> (both to acknowledge any conflicting responsibilities and act in keeping
> with their office.)
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 5 November 2017 at 23:21, María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In my opinion, even if we don't count the votes of the members in
>> conflict, we have a majority of the board agreeing on this motion. So I
>> think it makes sense to approve it.
>>
>> The alternative would be to freeze the incubation of a project until no
>> member of the board has conflicts. Considering that the incubation is just
>> the start of a longer process which may or may not succeed, I think it is
>> healthier to accept the incubation and make sure the conflict of interests
>> are solved by the end of the process (the sooner, the better).
>>
>> Regards,
>> María.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The following questions on board operation is from Vicky on the
>>> incubation list:
>>>
>>> Hello all
>>>
>>> *As member of the PSC of OSGeo-Live, I am glad to read that the motion of
>>> considering OSGeo-Live for incubation has passed.*
>>>
>>> *I am concerned because the the incubator committee has a member that has
>>> a conflict of interest because is also a member of the PSC of OSGeo-Live
>>> project, and he voted +1.*
>>> *I expressed my concern in the "Juez y Parte" thread of [1], where is
>>> "clear" that there is no guideline of the action to be taken on a committee
>>> member when there is a conflict of interest. (the thread has a link to the
>>> incubator committee guidelines [2])*
>>> *I must say that, at least, the committee member with the conflict of
>>> interest, mentioned his involvement when voting, but he didn't step down
>>> from the committee, or voted in such a way that his vote would not
>>> influence the over all result like a (+0)*
>>>
>>> *So, The next step is for the board for approval.*
>>> *And my concern grows thinking on how the board with two board members
>>> also on the PSC of OSGeo-Live, so more conflict of interest.*
>>>
>>> *I was doubtful of which was the correct mailing list to make this post.
>>> (Here or Discuss) but having Jody as part of Board, I leave the decision to
>>> him if this new concern of mine "Juez y Parte" but for board making
>>> decision on projects they belong to.*
>>>
>>> *I want things made done right. Our project application, as far as I can
>>> see, can  be used to make more precise written rules/policies about
>>> conflicts of interest.*
>>> *But what I would not want is someone else in the future, to notice and
>>> make a big fuss/attack of "how bad X person acted when having a conflict of
>>> interest".*
>>>
>>> *I wonder if there is a guideline equivalent to the incubator committee
>>> guideline but for board.*
>>>
>>> *Regards*
>>> *Vicky*
>>>
>>>
>>> And the following answer from myself:
>>>
>>> *Thanks Vicky, motion is not quite passed yet (waiting on 100% response
>>> for the electronic voting).*
>>>
>>> *I note that the board-priv at osgeo.org <board-priv at osgeo.org> list is
>>> available if you have any questions you would like to raise privately.*
>>>
>>> *You can see a couple of approaches in play here:*
>>> *- Earlier on the incubation thread I asked the incubation committee to
>>> consider my early involvement with OSGeo live and if it would be a
>>> hindrance to acting as mentor.*
>>> *- During MOT1 voting I responded with +1, noting my role as incubation
>>> chair*
>>> *- During MOT1 voting you can see Angelos abstain with a +0 vote, noting
>>> his role as PSC chair*
>>>
>>> *The board has addressed these kind of tensions previously, asking
>>> directors to acknowledge if they are affected by the matter at hand - but
>>> still vote in a responsible fashion as a director of OSGeo. This issue
>>> comes up a lot for directors, because they are part of OSGeo and are
>>> affected by most decisions.*
>>>
>>> *With your permission I would like to pass your question and the above
>>> answer to the board email list. I try not to cross post since that leads to
>>> madness.*
>>>
>>>
>>> Checking the wiki we do have a policy - https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/
>>> Conflict_Of_Interest_Policy
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
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Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
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Open Source Geospatial Foundation
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