[OSGeo-Conf] Announcement: Call for Location global FOSS4G 2021

Fri Sep 13 13:45:02 PDT 2019

I think that Jonathan's comments about the need for transparency of the 
selection criteria are valid.

And I think that we have an excellent answer to his question. The 
Evaluation Criteria is listed in 
https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/FOSS4G2021-request-for-proposal.pdf

The provided criteria are only guidelines, and I don't think we can 
realistically create a perfect selection formula. Instead we need to 
have a messy selection criteria and trust the judgement of prior FOSS4G 
chairs (who I think have earned the title of trust-worthy based on the 
amount of prior hard work they have contributed to a conference.)

Cheers, Cameron

On 12/9/19 10:07 pm, Steven Feldman wrote:
> Jonathan
>
> I think you are the only person on this list expressing these concerns.
>
> Of course we all have “personal biases” but however you try to create 
> a framework for decision making you will introduce some bias, you just 
> might not be aware of it.
>
> The public calls for questions after submission of LoIs and again 
> after Full Proposals allow any interested party (not just the voting 
> members) to question the bidders and to seek to inform/influence the 
> voting members. The system is not “closed"
>
> The system of voting has worked well for a long time and I see no 
> reason to change it.
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>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 11:01, Jonathan Moules 
>> <jonathan-lists at lightpear.com <mailto:jonathan-lists at lightpear.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  from someone who has no idea on what basis each individual member 
>> ultimately decides than a serious proposal.
>>
>> Which is exactly the point. No-one knows what the criterion used are, 
>> it is a closed system with absolutely no transparency in the critical 
>> voting phase. Ironic for an organisation whose name starts with 
>> "Open", and the antithesis of the principles behind Open movements.
>>
>> Or put another way, how do any of us know that people's votes were 
>> not influenced by:
>>
>> * being paid off
>>
>> * being coerced in some fashion
>>
>> * having some grudge / interest
>>
>> etc
>>
>> To be clear, I have no particular reason to believe any of these 
>> things are the case, but given the closed nature of the system, how 
>> do we know?
>>
>> Or less ethically problematic but more likely given the human mind:
>>
>> * various biases, conscious or otherwise (diversity related, 
>> regional, etc)
>>
>> * Networking effect - "I like who's running this more"
>>
>> * preferred holiday destination
>>
>> etc, etc.
>>
>>
>> On 2019-09-11 07:31, Till Adams wrote:
>>> Dear Jonathan,
>>>
>>> looking at the linked WIKI-page - honestly I do not see many points to
>>> be added to the RfP here.
>>>
>>> The proposal to change the voting procedure (presumably) you proposed
>>> are difficult to implement.
>>>
>>> Especially as the phrase "members vote for their favourite next holiday
>>> destination" honestly seems more like an accusation
>>> from someone who has no idea on what basis each individual member
>>> ultimately decides than a serious proposal.
>>>
>>> I would favour to have a further discussion on this, if you see really
>>> an issue here, I don't.
>>>
>>> Till
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 06.09.19 um 15:32 schrieb Jonathan Moules:
>>>> Hi Till,
>>>>
>>>> Back in July you asked for feedback on the RFP process for 2021 to be
>>>> put here:
>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee#Changes_in_RfP_Document_for_2021
>>>>
>>>> I've not seen anything further on this and the suggestions listed
>>>> (Disclosure: Yes, they're mine) don't appear in the docs.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guess this was an oversight or did I miss a thread?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-09-06 07:32, Till Adams wrote:
>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> just passed and survived the last FOSS4G in Bucharest, the community is
>>>>> looking forward for the next global FOSS4G conferences. We, OSGeo's
>>>>> Conference Committee, are happy to announce the call for location for
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> "Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial Conference 2021"
>>>>>
>>>>> to be held in "other regions". Precisely this means that the conference
>>>>> can be anywhere on the world, except Europe and North America. Only in
>>>>> case that we do not receive any appropriate bid from these parts of the
>>>>> world, we will consider to accept bids from Europe or North America.
>>>>>
>>>>> Summer holidays are over, no reason not to start your work, grab some
>>>>> people together, build a team, have fun and work out your bid! 2021 is
>>>>> right around the corner and be proud to get all the FOSS4G folks to your
>>>>> country, to your city, to your pub and introduce them to your local
>>>>> environment!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find all details on [1] and more background information on [2].
>>>>> In case that you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask the
>>>>> conference committee or your barkeeper ;-)!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> Till, on behalf of OSGeo's Conference committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process
>>>>>
>>>>> [2]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee
>>>>>
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