[OSGeo-Conf] Need to define rules for %age of backflow of FOSS4G surplus

Till Adams till.adams at fossgis.de
Fri Jan 3 04:24:18 PST 2020


Hi all,

great to see such a fruitful discussion ;-).

I like the idea from Eli, maybe we should seperate between with/without
seed money here.

Till


Am 03.01.20 um 12:27 schrieb Steven Feldman:
> Great suggestion
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>> On 2 Jan 2020, at 15:14, Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us
>> <mailto:eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>> wrote:
>>
>> If we’re revising, stepped amounts make more sense to me, 50/50 split
>> of the first $30,000, 90 OSGeo / 10 LOC there after.  OSGeo already
>> has a host of great programs and ways to spend the money.  It also is
>> the reason that FOSS4G happens.  (It also is how OSGeo exists).  
>>
>> I’m all in favor of LOCs getting some portion of the proceeds (that’s
>> why I like an aggressive initial percent), but think of what is a
>> good amount for a LOC to tuck away for the future and then think of
>> typical returns.  
>>
>> Best regards, Eli
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 4:20 AM Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com
>> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Till
>>
>>     IMO: The RfP is published each year, it sets out OSGeo’s
>>     expectations for LOCs to bid. I think it is binding but it would
>>     do no harm to strengthen that with some more formal language when
>>     we revise the RfP document later this year.
>>
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>>>     On 2 Jan 2020, at 11:54, Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de
>>>     <mailto:till.adams at fossgis.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Steven,
>>>
>>>     thanks, I missed to read the RfP carefully ;-)
>>>
>>>     Is it enough to have this only in the RfP docs?
>>>
>>>     Till
>>>
>>>
>>>     Am 02.01.20 um 12:39 schrieb Steven Feldman:
>>>>     In the RfP document it says (my italics):
>>>>
>>>>     "Funding by OSGeo and distribution of surplus
>>>>
>>>>     0.
>>>>         0.
>>>>
>>>>             It is expected that all FOSS4G events will be budgeted
>>>>             and operated to deliver a surplus over costs. /Part of
>>>>             the surplus will be donated to OSGeo./
>>>>
>>>>         Seed Funding
>>>>
>>>>         OSGeo can offer seed funding (an advance to cover start-up
>>>>         expenses and deposits before revenues are received) and an
>>>>         additional guarantee to cover losses (up to an agreed
>>>>         limit) in the event of unexpected events (subject to
>>>>         approval of budgets and regular financial updates to an
>>>>         OSGeo board representative).
>>>>
>>>>         If OSGeo provides seed funding and guarantees, it is
>>>>         expected that in the region of 85% of any surplus generated
>>>>         will be donated to OSGeo (a lower percentage will be
>>>>         considered for events hosted in Lower or Middle Income
>>>>         economies). OSGeo will provide a financial supervisor who
>>>>         must be consulted on all major financial decisions. For
>>>>         more information
>>>>         see ​https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances
>>>>
>>>>         */If a LOC does not require seed funding or guarantees from
>>>>         OSGeo, they will be expected to donate at least 50% of the
>>>>         surplus after costs to OSGeo./*
>>>>
>>>>         Travel Grant
>>>>
>>>>         OSGeo will provide a grant of $10,000 minimum towards a
>>>>         Travel Grant Programme
>>>>         (see https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/foss4g-travel-grant-program/​ ),
>>>>         the LOC are expected to raise at least an equivalent amount
>>>>         of funding through sponsorship, donations at registration
>>>>         or other means.
>>>>
>>>>         Video
>>>>
>>>>         OSGeo may provide loan funding towards the cost of
>>>>         recording the conference proceedings. If there is surplus
>>>>         from the conference, OSGeo requires this funding to be
>>>>         repaid in full to OSGeo before any calculation and
>>>>         distribution of the conference surplus."
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>         On 2 Jan 2020, at 09:05, Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de
>>>>         <mailto:till.adams at fossgis.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Dear conference committee,
>>>>
>>>>         you know, that surplus of FOSS4G's is one of the major
>>>>         source of income
>>>>         of OSGeo. The upcoming two events are good examples, that
>>>>         we need a
>>>>         binding and general rule about "what happens with a
>>>>         potential surplus of
>>>>         a FOSS4G": Calgary did not claim for seed money and
>>>>         explained to
>>>>         transfer back "at least 50%", Buenes Aires recently
>>>>         requested for seed
>>>>         money and mentioned a transfer back of 30% in their bid
>>>>         (Steven asked
>>>>         about that during the RfP).
>>>>
>>>>         On our last board meeting, we discussed the request from
>>>>         Buenes Aires
>>>>         regarding seed money. I know, there is a general rule, that
>>>>         says, that
>>>>         if a LOC of a FOSS4G requests for seed money, that we as an
>>>>         organisation
>>>>         expect, that at least 85% of the potential surplus goes
>>>>         back to OSGeo.
>>>>         This rule is AFAIK written in the "FOSS4G cookbook" but in
>>>>         the WIKI
>>>>         still marked as "draft" [1].
>>>>
>>>>         So, in my eyes, we need to approve this rule and make it
>>>>         binding for
>>>>         future bids. Also, there is no rule about the surplus going
>>>>         back to
>>>>         OSGeo, if teams do *not* request for seed money. I think we
>>>>         should need
>>>>         to define a rule here also.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>         Till
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         [1]
>>>>         https://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances
>>>>
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