[OSGeo-Discuss] This Thread is Dead (was Re: Comparison between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS)

[Bill Thoen]

Message subjects, like diapers, need to be changed once in a while. 
Usually for the same reasons, too.



Traian Stanev wrote:
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> However, they (the US govt.) don’t even need a specific legal 
> provision to spy on data that is hosted outside the US, and they’ve 
> been doing that since forever…
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> *From:* discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org 
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard Desrochers
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:34 PM
> *To:* rkgeorge at cadmaps.com; OSGeo Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparison between 
> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
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> One thing to consider using a cloud approach with Amazon is the 
> license agreement concerning your data.
> Under the Patriot Act in the US all data hosted in the US could be 
> made available to the US government.
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> Not all corporations are ready to live with that.
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> Richard
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> 2009/5/30 Randy George <rkgeorge at cadmaps.com 
> <mailto:rkgeorge at cadmaps.com>>
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> Cloud options are looking interesting.
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> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/  Windows, Linux, Solaris options
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> I imagine ESRI license entanglement with virtual servers could be a 
> problem. But no problem at all with Open Source GIS stacks. No license 
> to get tangled with load balancing and auto scaling where servers come 
> and go as needed. Mostly I've seen small business interest since they 
> tend to take overhead costs more seriously.
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> It might be useful to include a Cloud based server solution addendum, 
> because that would be less optimal for an ESRI vendor and could look 
> good compared to in-house hardware.
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> Unfortunately, medium and large organizations seem to have budget 
> allocations already in place for the big ticket approach. But then in 
> this economy even that could be changing.
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> AWS now includes Load Balancing and Auto Scaling options as well as S3 
> Backup, multiple offsite elastic block store duplication, edge cache, 
> and elastic IP.
> http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2009/05/17/monitoring-auto-scaling-elastic-load-balancing/
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> And for the real bleeding edge http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/
> (Not a selling point to small, medium, or large organizations, unless 
> academically oriented :-)
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> rkgeorge
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> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of Jason Birch
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:49 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between 
> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
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> I think that it's generally less fear of the unknown or job security 
> than it is the cost of adding complexity to what is often an already 
> over-extended support load.  In many cases it just makes sense to 
> spend $1000 for a server OS that doesn't require additional training, 
> is easy to get qualified techs for, and "just works" with the existing 
> systems.  It doesn't matter how easy Linux is; it's one more thing to 
> keep track of and one more thing to go wrong.
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> If you want to "win" the open source battle at small organisations 
> that don't already have OS operating system tendencies, focus on the 
> application level where you can make a strong business case on a 
> feature-by-feature level, and with additional arguments about truly 
> open data being more sustainable and less risky.  Personally I think 
> that an "open source or bust" attitude is not very pragmatic.  "Sell" 
> open source software where it is the best tool for the job, but pick 
> your battles.
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> Jason
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Mandel
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:25 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between 
> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
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> That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work.
> Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running 
> servers.
> Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual 
> machine hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is.
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> Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc.
> The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of 
> which there are plenty online now.
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